Nobuyuki wrote:evilpii wrote:Nobuyuki wrote:If you wish, you can consider his continuity from OVA 1 as separate as from Hasegawa's offshoot and the manga, already.
I already do,
Good, you're satisfied, then.evilpii wrote:Those who like series 1 can have it, isolated and pristine, and those who like Kajishima's work will have exactly what he intended.
It's already that way, if you care to think of it as such. Aaand it seems you do.
Actually, I am not satisfied. Again, I believe Kajishima's next move would be best to reboot the OVA continuity to make the story continuous and however he wants it, rather than introducing conflicting events and information.
Nobuyuki wrote:evilpii wrote:plotholes, contradictions, and dei ex machinae.
You keep using these words; I do not think they mean what you think they mean.
Very well then, let us well define our terms.
Plot hole: an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a film, book or play
- In episode 1, the tree Funaho sends a message into space. To whom was that message sent? This is unlikely Ryu-Oh as the Guardians state in episode 2 that they detected Ryoko.
- Whatever happened to Ryu-Oh? She was planted in the core unit in "Night Before the Carnival", but she is never seen again in the entire series.
- In episode 4, Clay chooses to ignore his given mission to pursue Washu. What was his original mission?
- Moreover, D3 states that someone had already been assigned to retrieve Washu. Who was that? Wouldn't that character interfere with Clay and Zero?
- In "Here Comes Jurai, Part 2", D3 goes to wipe Clay and Zero's memories. Why is this, considering that in series 3, Washu is fully realized as a goddess and fully aware of Tokimi's existence? Would knowledge of Tokimi's location already be known to her? When Ryoko and Zero merge, Ryoko would then know of Tokimi and her location. How would that knowledge interfere, since Washu could likely explain and perhaps pacify Ryoko's concerns?
- In episode 1, how can Ryo-Ohki get lost?
- Why can she not isolate her childish fears and do what needs to be done to leave the woods?
- Ryo-Ohki indeed has the form of a child, but does she have the mind of a child, or an animal, or a computer unit? She has aspects of all three, but which is actually her, if any?
- Why, particularly as series 3 episode 1 has Ryoko directly upload the way home into Ryo-Ohki's head? Even then, why does Ryoko have to be right next to Ryo-Ohki to do that?
- Rea is introduced as having existed in Tenchi's life when he was a boy. If so, why is she not mentioned or seen in the series 1 flashbacks, considering her place in series 3 and even, debatably, Geminar?
- Mashisu at least has reason to be adopted by Seto, to marry Misao. What is Noike's reason?
- Why does Nobuyuki try to kiss passionately his own daughter? That seems very inappropriate, considering he is soon to marry Rea.
- Moreover, why does Airi try to kiss passionately her grandson, with her husband standing just a few meters away? Again, wasn't Katsuhito's wife Terran, spurring the issue with Azusa?
- Why would Ryoko, or even Kagato, be intimated by Airi or Seto? Ryoko is notorious for sacking and crushing Jurai's defenses, and Kagato is known as the "Ruins Buster" and is eternally wanted by the GP. I have a hard time seeing either cowering in fear of a single Juraian woman.
- Moreover, why does Noike have Kyoko, a top-secret upgraded third generation tree? Presumably, this would be because of Seto, which emphasizes the question of why Seto would be interested in a no-name GP officer.
- Why is the Kuramitsu family so ready to go to war over Mihoshi? Admittedly, if Kuramitsu Mikami is so close to Seto, couldn't a more diplomatic solution be given? Also, why is Marshall Kuramitsu Minami cackling like a lunatic and not listening to reason?
- Why does no one notice that Noike is purposefully monopolizing Tenchi, to the point that she seemingly has poisoned him for the purpose of ingratiating herself to him and the household?
- What happened to Mihoshi all those years go to make Misao so protective of her?
- In episode 4, Seto says that Yosho sent word after Ayeka and Sasami had left to find him. Couldn't she have contacted Ryu-Oh or the Guardians while the girls were in statis to turn them around?
- If Seto could have gotten word from Yosho, couldn't Ayeka and Sasami have sent word back after Yosho revealed himself? Why did it take until Azusa arrived unannounced before Jurai came to investigate? Moreover, if Earth was already well-known, wouldn't it be the first place to look?
- Since Tsunami is there, why is she not stopping the combat? While this does take dramatic emphasis off Misao and Mashisu, it seems unnecessary.
- If Washu was fully aware of her power against Kagato or Clay, she could have waved her hand and rectified both situations. More importantly, the episode with Clay aboard Shunga seems far more Washu-centered. Having Tenchi use his Light Hawk Wings to save Ayeka and Mihoshi seems a strange emphasis shift when all three have been pidgeonholed in the bowels of the ship for the entire episode, and all the action has been focused on Washu. Why not have Washu be the savior for her own episode?
- Moreover, as a goddess, why would she suffer being sealed in a crystal aboard Soja?
- Who is the figure of light talking to Tenchi? While it seems to be Tenchi's character design, his identity is not explicitly noted.
- Similarly, why does Misaki have the Counteractor aspect? She has never demonstrated any ability or predilection of this persona or power before. Even then, how is "other Tenchi" able to passify and remove her?
- At the end of the episode, Noike and Fuku appear in the past, changing Mihoshi's note as Zed had. While this does ensure the same sequence of events up to episode 5, Noike mentions that this will ensure that Fuku will meet Seina. How so?
- In the +1 special, Marshall Kuramitsu Minami is deposed by his sister, Kuramitsu Mikami. While I don't disagree that he should be punished for his actions, how does she have the power to override him? Her place in the political structure is not explained in this series.
- While Nobuyuki mentioned that he found Masaki Kiyone's (and Airi's) script was in bad taste, why did he, among others, proceed with her black comedy? Considering Tenchi's temperment, that seemed in very poor taste, as evidenced by Tenchi's own reaction.
- Why are Rea and Noike the only ones allowed to console Tenchi? One would think that Ryoko or Nobuyuki might be better suited for the task, particularly as Ryoko watched over him when his mother died. Also, admittedly, it seems more Nobuyuki's place as father to explain this to his son.
- According to Washu's theory, Noike is a fragment personality from Kagato-F, who was picked up by Noike's "mother". Clay later sealed the Kagato-F side away, and Zed found and used her to spy on the household throughout series 3. Tokimi allows the other persona to speak, and Washu removes the seal, allowing them to fuse into one entity, much like Ryoko and Zero. How and when did Clay and Zed accomplish all of this? Wouldn't Clay have mentioned a contingency plan or arrangement with Zed in series 2?
Contradiction: the act of saying something that is opposite or very different in meaning to something else, a difference or disagreement between two things which means that both cannot be true
- In episode 6, Empress Funaho complains that Yosho had not sent word in 700 years. Does this not contradict Seto's statements in series 3 about a secret communique?
- Washu says she will not create another Ryoko, or Ryo-Ohki-like warship by extension, and will not help anyone to do so. Doesn't this rule out Fuku's creation in GXP?
- Azusa had an issue with Yosho about him having a child with a Terran, but in series 3, he is married to Airi, who moreover states that she is Masaki Kiyone's mother. Is this not a contradiction?
Deus ex machina: (Latin) "god from a machine", a god introduced into a play to resolve the entanglements of the plot, any artificial or improbable device resolving the difficulties of a plot.
OVA 1: Tenchi's creation of the Light Hawk Wings when all others are defeated and he is about to die.
OVA 2: Tenchi's creation of the Light Hawk Wings when he, Ayeka, and Mihoshi are about to die in the Shunga black hole.
OVA 3: the being of light who speaks with Tenchi and pacifies Counteractor-Misaki.
Please explain your reasoning as to how any of these claims are not valid.
wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:the answer at the end of the day to such matters is "because he's Tenchi." As a character, Tenchi has gone from likeable underdog to 'that lucky somagun' before arriving to the place we find ourselves today. In a world with humanoid aliens and mysticism intertwined with fantastic technology, the most difficult element for me as a fan to buy is Tenchi's unconscious, hypnotic pull over anything female (stomaching sexism of that level is the topic of another, unrelated rant, so I digress).
Because Kami-Tenchi! It's a joke at this point, and I would even go so far as to say Kajishima now intends for it to be that way--that, or his ego really has gone that out of whack over the years; basing a character off yourself is one thing, even if it's the protagonist with hidden powers, but "God"? No, wait, make that "Tenchi-kami: God of Sexiness, irresistible to women's carnal desires!" Come on, man.
It is a sad truth, to be honest. Tenchi himself has also had significant character decay like the girls have. Perhaps a nice change of pace would be to have say Ryoko or Ayeka be the lead in a series, focus on their designs and schemes, rather than Tenchi or the household as a whole. After all, Tenchi Muyo! in Love 2 did very well at having Ryoko and Ayeka as the leads with Tenchi's story less primary.