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by Ukinojo92
#27452 There wasn't an exact thread for this, just side stuff. Here, talk about all things about the series Dual!. Characters, plot, analysis, your take, anything.

Links to other threads:

Dual CDs
Dual Video Links
Dual Female Seiryuus
Zinv Capabilities
Idea for New Dual OVA
Time in Dual
Dual Collection
Mitsuki Fan Thread
Dual Crossovers
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by Ukinojo92
#27512 This is just my opinion but, Mitsuki was terrible to Kazuki. He was seeing things from a parallel universe which could have got him thrown in a sanatorium. He writes about it like a fiction and it gets him ridiculed and ousted by his peers, while still getting freaked out by mecha battles.

She said she wanted to help, brought him to her house, got him strapped to a chair by her father and was sent to a parallel universe (by the easy to sit on lever). She follows him and gets in a month before, joins a military mech unit and gets cozy with a man that's not her father and tells Kazuki to go with it when he gets there. So then he fights in the battles he had only seen himself and is told when his side wins, he'll go home, even though in the series they always defended and didn't look like they had the advantage to win outright.

My thing is, why isn't Kazuki even a little angry or enraged at anything? He asked for help and got sent to a parallel world away from his family, and had to fight in the military just to get a deal home. And the girl that supposed to help him just says go with it and acts like she owns the place and him.

This is my opinion, though if you look at the series objectively this is how it is.
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by JGZinv
#27540 It's late so I won't wall o text us...

I'd look at it from Mitsuki's angle too. She's a girl who was abandoned by her lazy and manipulative mother. She had to take care of her less than stable father who's emotionally a mess. She's idolized at school and lusted after by the majority of the male population. She's self conscientious about her image, but stalwart in dealing with other's feelings (love letters). She does the shopping for the house, the laundry, cleaning, things that her parents would not.

This paints a picture of someone who's been abused, and latching on to self image in her original world. She gets attention from her father by participating in his "work" with him. She gets by day to day. But she's still thinking, not street smart per say but not caught up in frivolous teenager things. She's had to become more adult due to her circumstances.

So drop a young man, whom she doesn't have time for relationships with anyway, who's totally dependent on his parents, seems pretty flakey - into her daily routine where she's got yet another person to take care of. She understandably is easily set off.

Now switch gears and think about the fact she arrived a month ahead of Kazuki in the parallel world. She had no one that recognized her, her own "father" doubted her existence and treated her as an alien as she was taken into military custody. The world is enveloped in a war. She has no way to get home, and even her house doesn't have her own belongings in it. She's truly alone in every sense, doesn't even know if Kazuki will be showing up. She went from bad to worse by getting dumped into the parallel world.

..and yet, after the month, we pick back up where Kazuki enters the picture (to us almost instantly), Mitsuki seems well acquainted with the world. She fits in as a pilot. For her the new world is a clean slate, with a man acting as her father's role who's relatively successful and more reliable. She's got a job of sorts. She can vent her frustrations on the battlefield and is part of a team of pilots. She has purpose. The relationships at school have been reset, even if she still is idolized. Overall, for Mitsuki in World B, things are actually better.

So in drops Kazuki, a reminder of her not-to-distant past. He can't take care of himself. He wants to go home.
He's a burden. An eyesore. Then he's suddenly moved from the base dorms to Mitsuki's "home" along with an unrelatable weird alien glowing eyeball thing-girl-android - and she's expected to just deal, change her routine, and take care of more freeloaders. Imagine any time relatives or guests have stayed at your house, things get upturned pretty quickly. Even Mitsuki's diary in World B getting tossed out and replaced with new blank book is a illustration of how everything she knew had to be started over, a blank slate, when Kazuki entered her life.

Mitsuki simply doesn't deal well with changes in her life and routine. She's got a certain way of doing everything because that's how she's gotten approval and acceptance in the past. You can see she's thrown for a loop when Kazuki and D become self sufficient in doing their chores, and when more experienced females such as Yayoi, Reika, and MitsukiR all come into the house. She loses her place in the dynamic and roles she's used to. She didn't have a mother role model, she had to become that role on her own. Her authority, her world, her relationships, everything is upturned due to one boy having weird visions...

But... she doesn't stay this way.

A lot of examples of her personality changing are found in Ep.11 Real. Once upon a time it was said in the fandom that Dual was nearly as much Mitsuki's story as it was Kazuki's. It depends entirely on how much you dig into it.

So I wouldn't go quite so far as to say she's just an abusive tsundere character. There's a bit more to her backstory than that.
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by Ukinojo92
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JGZinv wrote:
It depends entirely on how much you dig into it.


Actually there is a point there. I mean if you look at each character carefully, they are deep and their world setting can enrich that fact. Still in the anime I felt like they skimmed over some parts quickly, like D's backstory or the real point of the war, because when I first watched it, it felt like two scientists fighting over whose better, but with mechs.
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by JGZinv
#27572 Well D's backstory was sorta explored or more revealed via the Dual doujins, like most all things Kajishima....

The who's better with mechs thing.. yeah I can see that. The UN was involved, and Rara had really already won and taken over most of the world before Dr. S got involved with the EDF though. They were almost always on the back foot. Reika nearly provided all the funding for the EDF, which is why it was a private army.

How much of it was scheming of Ayuko and Kumu is another question. If they had conquered the world, what would have come of it? There was a short part where Dr. Rara claimed that he took the artifact to keep others from fighting over it... and yet we know how that turned out.
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by Ukinojo92
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JGZinv wrote:The who's better with mechs thing.. yeah I can see that. The UN was involved, and Rara had really already won and taken over most of the world before Dr. S got involved with the EDF though. They were almost always on the back foot. Reika nearly provided all the funding for the EDF, which is why it was a private army.How much of it was scheming of Ayuko and Kumu is another question. If they had conquered the world, what would have come of it? There was a short part where Dr. Rara claimed that he took the artifact to keep others from fighting over it... and yet we know how that turned out.


I can't really see conquering the world when they're fighting for just sections of cities at a time. And the EDF I think always defended while RaRa attack which never made sense to me. I mean, they have mechs too, why not go on counter strike and reclaim territory and for some reason they couldn't, it felt like a one sided war. The protecting of scientific discoveries from being fought over is admirable, but no one will know that unless you say it and not use them to conquer cities and blow parts of them up.
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by mitsuki lover
#27606 Don't forget that the war was fought under the U.N.'s jurisdiction which is why you have Akane
at the EDF with Commander Sanada.
It wasn't so much about world conquest as it was about who got the right to the alien tech.
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by Ukinojo92
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mitsuki lover wrote:It wasn't so much about world conquest as it was about who got the right to the alien tech.


Ukinojo92 wrote: The protecting of scientific discoveries from being fought over is admirable, but no one will know that unless you say it and not use them to conquer cities and blow parts of them up.


The whole right of alien tech was really the motive of Sanada and Rara. Ayuko, however was basically for the use of technology for her personal gain. She didn't care for the politics or bigger picture of what was going on, just getting the finer things. Akane's backing was I guess to win for the peace from Rara's conquest. Akane is all about rules and probably felt all the tech should have been under the UN's control. Easy to forget the women behind the leaders.