All discussion about the latest iteration of the Tenchi Saga!
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by Ukinojo92
#26766 Is it Momo or Tenchi casting the shield? Obviously it is most likely Momo in a fear or subconscious response, but who is to say Tenchi did it without thinking and his key activated in response. Tenchi in OVA 2 couldn't control the Light Hawk Wings, but then in ep 12 before sucked in the black hole he activated in response to near death danger. In Ai, Tenchi is in more control, but my question is are people that have Jurai Royal Tree or Jurai power always in control all the time or in certain circumstances they can spontaneously react without meaning to?
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by evilpii
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Ukinojo92 wrote:Is it Momo or Tenchi casting the shield? Obviously it is most likely Momo in a fear or subconscious response, but who is to say Tenchi did it without thinking and his key activated in response.

As I said in my last post, Tenchi could have generated the barrier, consciously or subconsciously, with or without the sword. The possibility is there, but Ai Tenchi episode 34 does leave it nebulous as to which was the instigator. Considering all the parallels between Tenchi and Momo, particularly in the final episode, I could accept either as the cause. Tenchismile

Ukinojo92 wrote:In Ai, Tenchi is in more control, but my question is are people that have Jurai Royal Tree or Jurai power always in control all the time or in certain circumstances they can spontaneously react without meaning to?

I would agree that subconscious or reflex use of Juraian abilities is possible, particularly if said royal family member was untrained and unaware of what they possessed. My key example is Achika from TMiL1. Seemingly, she was raised by her father and late mother without any knowledge of her extraterrestrial heritage. However, she starts manifesting abilities during her first encounter with Kain on the Tokyo Tower. First, she senses his presence approaching.
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Then, she emits a concussive wave that shatters glass and sweeps many of the shards at Kain. Kain himself is caught off-guard and realizes at that moment that she is his target, not Tenchi. Moreover, Nobuyuki is just as surprised as Kain is, so he likely hasn't seen this side of her before either.
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She creates a second concussive wave when she breaks free from Kain in subspace.
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Then, of course, there is her climactic transformation.
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All four of these occurrences precede Achika's exchange of brain waves with Tenchi.

After said exchange, she creates the energy barrier against Kain as mentioned above and then picks up Tenchiken, transforming it into a naginata-like weapon. She then uses it to seriously wound, but not outright kill, Kain. Since she exchanged brain waves with Tenchi, I could concede that some of his knowledge of Juraian abilities could seep into her mind. However, such an explanation does not cover the four events in the images above.

So, which of these four events is conscious manipulation? Assuming Achika is untrained, one could liken her unto an unskilled person handed a sword and told to fight against someone (Kain) with far superior knowledge, skill, and experience. She's fumbling with her weapon, doesn't know what to do, and, if Tenchi's epilogue has any truth to it, likely hurt herself in the process.

I would argue her sense of Kain's presence was subconscious. She was scared, and the fear response does cause the senses to sharpen, to reach out for any information on the threat. One would think that for a Juraian, any empathic abilities would be sharpened as well, allowing her to feel Kain's approach.

I would also argue her first concussive wave was subconscious. She stood up, fists clenched, ready to fight. Again, the fear response typically gives the body a choice: fight or flight. Adrenaline is also connected with feats of strength, mothers protecting their young and the like, tapping into wells of power usually inaccessible. I find it likely her choice to turn and face Kain could have ignited the pilot of whatever offensive abilities she possessed, giving that concussive wave.

However, while the second concussive wave may be subconscious, I don't think it is. She is being held by Kain, watching Nobuyuki get thrown around like a ragdoll. She wants to go to him, free of this monster holding her. By this point, she has already used a concussive wave once, so perhaps like muscle memory, she remembered that feeling and replicated it to free herself.

On the other hand, the transformation I doubt is subconscious at all. She methodically turned to Kain and announced her intentions to do him harm. If my "muscle memory" theory is right, what Achika could have done was accessed whatever mental faculty to create that concussive wave and dived as deep as she could go. Again, referencing the sword analogy above, doing so might be like flailing with a sharp weapon without knowledge of the consequences. Doing this may well have hurt her, even shortened her lifespan as Tenchi theorizes in the epilogue.

Please keep in mind, all of this is speculation based upon the presentation in the film. Take it as you will. Tenchismile
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by Ukinojo92
#26770 In Achika's case she was near a extremely powerful being, that needed to be captured by the full the strength of the GXP and Jurai combined. Natural to subconsciously activate dormant powers, and Achika rushed and overexerted her powers without training or slowly awakening them, causing damage to herself.

In Momo's case though, she used her Jurai powers as a child, which must mean she was acquainted with them before she came to Earth. Adult Momo had her powers asleep but already used and natural to her body and mind, and on the roof on the case that it was Momo casting the shield, she casted it on the experience when she defended Tenchi from Feudal Ryoko that launched a powerful attack.

Tenchi in OVA 1 ep 4, Tenchi couldn't activate his key until he remembered his sword training, all my speculation is to add more reasoning to how to powers reflex works
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by evilpii
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Ukinojo92 wrote:In Momo's case though, she used her Jurai powers as a child, which must mean she was acquainted with them before she came to Earth. Adult Momo had her powers asleep but already used and natural to her body and mind, and on the roof on the case that it was Momo casting the shield, she casted it on the experience when she defended Tenchi from Feudal Ryoko that launched a powerful attack.

I could accept teenage Momo using "muscle memory" to manifest the barrier in episode 34, though it is questionable how much her body and mind remember from the feudal era. Washu did say that the "original girl" (Momo) was disseminated, scattered. What that exactly did to Momo's mind and abilities, I don't entirely know. Who knows exactly how much she remembers, particularly about specifics?

Ukinojo92 wrote:Tenchi in OVA 1 ep 4, Tenchi couldn't activate his key until he remembered his sword training, all my speculation is to add more reasoning to how to powers reflex works

This is an admirable goal, explaining how reflexes of Jurai's power operates. However, I will admit that this topic has not be heavily discussed or documented. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. kiyonesmile1
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by Ukinojo92
#26786 On ep 32, Yuki and Rui use the Goriki head as multiple purpose device. It sort of reminds me of TM in Love when they used a Yukinojo head for Washu projection.