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- July 17, 2015 at 10:11 PM
This post might be moved, it is strongly inspire by Pii’s[/url] [/size] A debate I liked to take part in, was the all First Queen and Second Queen issue.
Fact :
– Since OVA2,
Funaho is the First and Misaki the Second.“Funaho’s mark : Made of make-up. Funaho is the first queen, there is one mark, Misaki is the second queen, there’s two marks.”
– In OVA1 :
(Funimation is more accurate, as the jp dialogue mention Funaho’s name)The first queen is suppose to be from Jurai–
, ’causeHasegawa seconds that in her third novel
EvilPii wrote:This novel is a retread of OVA series 1 episodes 4-6, including this discussion between Ayeka and Katsuhito. Crazed and Nil corroborated that the subtitles agreed with Hasegawa’s novel. That is, this is the actual Japanese dialogue for the scene as Hasegawa wrote it.
What is new for me, is that :http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/29/1437169753-tenchi-souran-p072.png " /> Here, what I think we see is :
Misaki without any forehead marks
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/29/1437170371-misaki-s-name.png " /> And Funaho, with two forehead marks
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/29/1437170375-funaho-s-name.png " /> TL;DR
Did you know that production art just above?What’s the release date ? If this is from the production of OVA2, why Kajishima changed his mind all of sudden ?
Why is this the truth
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/29/1437168496-the-sketch.jpg " /> When it has been this all along
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/21/1431911907-the-sketch.png " />
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- July 19, 2015 at 3:55 AM
Usual part of the problem is that we need more info from the raw novels. A novel where Funaho is included in the story or just a paragraph to confirm her existence, because that has a change of her actually being there when she wasn’t. So something might have changed storywise in the later novels. -
- July 19, 2015 at 12:52 PM
JGZinv wrote:I’m sure if Dagon were around he would love to talk your ear off regarding that picture as he was the one that
found something on it originally. Then came the hasegawa novel info.
Silly me, of course you guys knew ><". Now there is thread just for that for the new guys
Nobuyuki wrote:August 1996, if the [C50] is accurate.
I’m guessing this is the release date of Tenchi Souran itself. It makes sense that it had been published after the release of both first OVA, though what I’m wondering is when did that precise art draft have been drawn?
At the end of OVA1, when Hayashi and Hasegawa were still on the ride? Or during the production of OVA2, where Kajishima was left all alone.
Ukinojo92 wrote:Usual part of the problem is that we need more info from the raw novels. A novel where Funaho is included in the story or just a paragraph to confirm her existence, because that has a change of her actually being there when she wasn’t. So something might have changed storywise in the later novels.
She exists for sure, her name is mentioned in the third novel, has Crazed and Nil saw it at Pii’s request.
The question of her role is
most likelyanswered in the second novel, but whether or not she is stated as the number two queen doesn’t change the fact that this production drawing of her prooves she was the Second Queen at some point. Until … -
- July 20, 2015 at 4:47 AM
Chaud, let me applaud your continued search for evidence on your question. You are doing the good work, getting actual documents to support your findings. gendo1 Looking at the image you found of Azusa, “punk” Misaki, and “second” Funaho, the designs remind me highly of another AIC property I enjoy. Below is a cast shot from
Gall Force: Eternal Story. http://static.minitokyo.net/downloads/41/43/64691.jpg?851698347 " /> As a point of fact, both
andHayashi worked on iterations ofKajishimaGall Forceat some point during their careers. Perhaps a little bit of the character designs bled over? butts1 Also, I love the look of “punk” Misaki. She seems much more assertive than her OVA series 2 counterpart. Give Misaki Lufy’s “no fucks given” attitude or Eluza’s “no nonsense” attitude from
Gall Force: Eternal Story, and I think “Here Comes Jurai” would have been a different episode. badass1 Of course, comparisons could also be made with the more obvious
Iczer 3, Tenchi‘s immediate progenitor. tuxedodouche http://www.animanga.com/Iczer/legend-g.gif" /> Keep up the good work, Chaud. The truth is out there.
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- August 2, 2015 at 8:39 PM
Not adding any infos, but commeting what you said, Pii. Since you brought up the art style side of the matter. So Hayashi and Kajishima worked together on this two anime as well.. interesting.
What could be also note is : Since Kajishima is the ultimate character designer, no doubt we can assure that he himself drew the sketches I post earlier. Y’know, while Hayashi or Horiuchi drew dotless Misaki in Hexagram, production arts are definetly from Kajishima’s hand. (Well, most likely, right ?)
Another thing, the design of the anime you stated.
It’s totally unrelated to the topic, but again in
Tenchi Souran, there are a few early production art where we clearly see the characters with an awesome 80s look. http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/31/1438547420-tenchi-souran-p007.jpg " /> Dat ball hair Ryoko (or is it Aeka?) !
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/31/1438547715-tenchi-souran-p149.png " /> Dat Tenchi face
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- August 8, 2015 at 11:43 PM
ChaudSept wrote:So Hayashi and Kajishima worked together on this two anime as well.. interesting.
While Hayashi and Kajishima did work on
Iczer 3together, I do not think they worked together on any one Gall Forceiteration. According to ANN, Hayashi was co-director of Gall Force 2, and Kajishima was an animation director on Rhea Gall Force, which were separate projects at different times. However, all three anime projects predate Tenchiby at least a year, which was my point. The art styles from all three could have directly influenced what we see in Tenchi. ChaudSept wrote:What could be also note is : Since Kajishima is the ultimate character designer, no doubt we can assure that he himself drew the sketches I post earlier. Y’know, while Hayashi or Horiuchi drew dotless Misaki in Hexagram, production arts are definetly from Kajishima’s hand. (Well, most likely, right ?)
This begs the question. Why did Kajishima change his mind? Does having Funaho be first serve some plot purpose, or was it for some other reason? Moreover, why change it in OVA series 2 when it has already been stated in OVA series 1 that “the first wife will be of Jurai”? Doing so introduces an unnecessary contradiction, particularly for those who know Japanese or read the Funimation subtitles.
ChaudSept wrote:Another thing, the design of the anime you stated.
It’s totally unrelated to the topic, but again in
Tenchi Souran, there are a few early production art where we clearly see the characters with an awesome 80s look. I do like me some ’80s Ayeka.
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