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- August 30, 2013 at 5:54 AM
After chatting with several others members, as well as speculatingin , I would like to start a thread concerning the trees of Jurai. This thread is for conversations and speculations into how the trees of Jurai operate or interact. As always, please keep discussion civil and constructive. :Tenchismile:fan fictionTo begin, I had been thinking about the three trees that are known to be on Earth: Ryu-Oh, Funaho, and Haruna’s tree. How connected are these three? Do they actively communicate with one another, through Tsunami or otherwise?
One idea that was put forth between Shadowsfall and me tonight was that they might work as a network through Tsunami. This seems to fit along with some of the descriptions given in Okuda’s manga, specifically how Bizen was able to dominate and endanger the entire fleet sent to stop her.
However, this raises some questions. Would Ryu-Oh not recognize Funaho when she arrived on Earth, either in OVA1 or Universe? Similarly, Haruna’s tree would have existed on Earth when Ryu-Oh first arrived as well. Now, it has been said that Juraian trees lose their power and sentience in soil, but Funaho and Haruna’s trees have been shown to be exceptions, whether by Ryoko’s gems or by the influence of Haruna’s spirit.
If the trees actively recognize and communicate, this causes some major problems.
In OVA1, Ayeka would have known Yosho was alive immediately upon arrival, but she found Ryoko instead. This might be due to Funaho using Ryoko’s gems to maintain her power, as well as Yosho’s life.
- In Universe, she would have found Haruna’s tree and known that a Juraian presence already existed there immediately, rather than becoming suspicious watching Tenchi and Katsuhito spar. This could be mitigated by saying the trees are not connected through Tsunami, though if the
Eternal Memorymanga is included, Tsunami does exist in the Universe continuity. - When Tenchi disappears in TM!iL2, Ryu-Oh might have known and alerted the family to the event, and perhaps its cause. This could be written off as Haruna’s spirit somehow masking or blurring that her tree’s existence, considering the plant was dying.
How does one resolve these issues?
However, the trees actively communicating does raise some interesting possibilities.
http://evilpii.50webs.com/forum/sagami1.png" /> What information do the trees share?
Could they combine their computational power, or ethereal power?- What conversations might they have, unbeknownst to their respective masters?
What are your thoughts on these questions, or others? [nagi3]
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- August 30, 2013 at 5:51 PM
In the case of the trees, I am not fully certain as to why the would not have recognized the energy. In the OVA it could beg the question as to Ryoko’s energy being within the tree, if that perhaps pulled a mask over the Juraian energy itself, and was put off as just perhaps “taint” of her energy? In Universe, I peronally find it solidified to think of the Camellia tree to have projected its energy all at once into all the other trees, therefore Ryu-oh not being able to pinpoint where it is exactly happening. However, in other cases, perhaps it is how it was stated between Pii and I that Ryu-Oh tried to communicate but didn’t get a response and put it off as normal for the world to have energy of sorts(considering to Ryu-Oh and Ayeka that Earth is an alien planet to them.)
Also you bring up a point that it was dying and that could be a way to mask its energy; however with the company at the household, The Camellia could have fed off of some of the energy, building itself slowly into making a dimension for its owner.
In terms of the trees conversing, it may be acts of energy transmission, or certain patterns of common plant communication with standard trees, but on a more ethereal matter that would pertain to Juraian energy. Essentially, trees(plants in general) can share and act out releasing or ensnaring chemicals and use the wind as a carrier.
Having this known; the Juraian trees perhaps do it similarly but as stated in a more ethereal way.
Perhaps they communicate much like a person would do so if they had telepathy. They would converse over their masters perhaps? Hell to open another thing to breach into you could bring up the fact that perhaps in communicating, their “messages” go right to the source to communicate, much like the center of the database.
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- August 31, 2013 at 12:26 AM
I think that Aeka’s obsession with her grudge toward Ryoko might be one reason she may have overlooked the information coming from Yosho’s tree. A question I have is since Sasami(at least in the first two OVAs)is merged with Tsunami,does that mean she shares any information that Tsunami might acquire from the other trees?
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- October 22, 2013 at 7:32 PM
I would imagine that as the Tsunami portion of herself manifests in her as she ages that she will become more aware of her powers and abilities as a chousin. One can only assume that this includes access to the family of Jurai trees and the network they form. Quite an interesting thought ML, thanks for bringing it up -
- October 22, 2013 at 8:47 PM
Seina’s mecha the Idol or Zinv has a first generation tree seed. The seed was one of the two seeds to be given to a visitor by Tsunami, sometime in the past. Tsunami had informed Lady Seto of the two seeds. There is another lost seed somewhere in the Universe. Tsunami is not aware of the location of the lost seed. I wondered if Funaho is able to reproduce. If Funaho is able to reproduce, it is likely most of its seeds will be sterile. The cause of the majority of Funaho’s seeds being sterile are a result of Funaho being on Earth and another reason involving Funaho’s ability to reproduce. Still, rest of Funaho’s seeds are fertile. If Funaho has any fertile seeds, it will be Katsuhito’s responsiblity to send any of the fertile seeds back to Jurai. It is likely that Kiriko’s second genearation tree
Mizukiis one of Funaho’s children. Since Funaho is on Earth, what will happen to some of Funaho’s fertile seeds. The environment of Earth is almost like Jurai’s to a point. There is the remaining difference between Jurai’s environment and Earth’s. Because of Earth’s environment being almost like Jurai’s, Funaho continues to thrive. Still, Funaho does depend on the powers of Ryoko’s gems to help it survive on Earth.
I am merely speculating over what may happen to some of Funaho’s fertile seeds. If some of Funaho’s fertile seeds have mutated as a result of Funaho’s presence on Earth, there is going to be a major problem for Jurai. If some of Funaho’s fertile seeds have mutated, there will be a new type of Royal Tree in the Universe. This sub-species of Royal Trees will continue to maintain links with Tsunami. Yet, this possible sub-species may have stronger connections with the Earth than Jurai.
I will rather state that all of Funaho’s fertile seeds will become second generation trees. When Katsuhito finds a fertile seed, he will take care of the seed until the seed can be sent back to Jurai for safer keeping. It will be amazing that Kiriko’s tree
Mizukiis one of Funaho’s own children. Still, there is the possiblity that some Funaho’s fertile seeds are rare mutations which I have speculated about. -
- October 22, 2013 at 9:34 PM
susano wrote:If some of Funaho’s fertile seeds have mutated as a result of Funaho’s presence on Earth, there is going to be a major problem for Jurai. If some of Funaho’s fertile seeds have mutated, there will be a new type of Royal Tree in the Universe. This sub-species of Royal Trees will continue to maintain links with Tsunami. Yet, this possible sub-species may have stronger connections with the Earth than Jurai.
๐ฏ WOW. What a cool notion Susano! I don’t think I’ve ever thought about that before. What an excellent concept for a future plot point! I hope our fanfic authors are taking notes!๐ -
- October 23, 2013 at 1:05 AM
Oh, believe me, I have made a note of it for my other fanfiction after my OVA 4 "For the curse of life is the curse of want. And so, you peer... Into the fog, in hope of answers." -
- October 23, 2013 at 4:19 PM
Funaho-tree should have died after being planted on Earth. The only thing that kept the tree alive was Washu’s gems (via Tenchi-ken I think, but it has been ages since I looked that up). Should that power be removed, Funaho-tree will die. I have speculated that it might be possible for Funaho-tree to be transplanted back into the special container and reconnect with Tsunami-tree, but there’s nothing I’m aware of that says this can or can’t be done. As for mutations, something would have to cause said mutation. Just being planted in the ground would not be enough, IMO. But that’s just me.
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- October 24, 2013 at 3:56 PM
Nobuyuki wrote:AstroNerdBoy wrote:Funaho-tree should have died after being planted on Earth. The only thing that kept the tree alive
And sentient, which is probably the more important aspect.
๐ Yeah, absolutely. The sentience would die before the actual tree would have, since the tree would continue living as a regular tree for however long until it too died.
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- October 30, 2013 at 7:40 PM
susano wrote:
Since Funaho is on Earth, what will happen to some of Funaho’s fertile seeds. The environment of Earth is almost like Jurai’s to a point. There is the remaining difference between Jurai’s environment and Earth’s. Because of Earth’s environment being almost like Jurai’s, Funaho continues to thrive. Still, Funaho does depend on the powers of Ryoko’s gems to help it survive on Earth..
I just want to make it clear that Funaho continues to need Ryoko’s gems to help it survive on Earth. Without Ryoko’s gems and the Water of Life, Funaho’s life on Earth will be like the life of a typical tree on Earth. Katsuhito gives a lot of credit to Ryoko’s gems for helping Funaho and him to survive on the planet Earth. After Katsuhito came to Earth, he was not fully aware of the full powers of Ryoko’s gems.
About Funaho being able to reproduce, it will likely most of her seeds will be infertile. The main reasons why most of Funaho’s seeds being infertile are due to some factors like genetics and Funaho being on Earth. Still, some of Funaho’s seeds will be fertile. When Katsuhito finds a fertile seed, he will carefully keep the seed until the seed can be taken back fo Jurai. The sign of a fertille seed for Katsuhito is the glow coming from the seed and surrounding it. The third generation seed which Seina and his crew back to Jurai had a glow surrounding it.
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- December 23, 2014 at 5:13 PM
With a particular tree showing up in , I thought it was time to resurrect and resuscitate this old thread.today’s episode ofAi TenchiTenchismile In particular, I was watching a documentary on National Geographic about the . Some of these trees have aged over 1000 years, and moreover, they can naturallybaobab treehollow .themselveswth2 One baobab has even been .converted into a barWANT1 Now, one compares the baobab and its uses as a real world habitat,
http://www.bigbaobab.co.za/imagegallery/Images_of_our_Flats/baobab_30.jpg " /> to the Juraian trees, fictionally used as living quarters and spaceships.
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- December 25, 2014 at 12:57 AM
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- January 9, 2015 at 10:21 AM
To continue resuscitating this thread, I would like to relate some information on the trees I scrounged up while working on the .Powers ThreadTenchismile UniverseWhile not heavily emphasized in the TV series, the films do link Jurai’s power to the trees. In
TMiL2, Katsuhito mentioned explicitly that every Juraian has their own tree, referencing specifically Haruna’s camellia. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/camellia1_zps8904887d.png " /> Likewise, Washu uses those camellia trees with the Science Academy’s dimension-locking equipment to break into Haruna’s world. Moreover, she used trees at the Fudo temples in
TMiL1to mimic Jurai’s power to capture Kain in subspace. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu-image_zpsb7ced077.png " /> Considering all the imagery for Jurai in
Universeis arboral, the connection between Jurai’s mystical energies and their trees is probably more than coincidence. In particular, the guardians suggest to Sasami to use Ryu-Oh’s sap in episode 9 to cure Tenchi’s illness. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/sasami-ryu-oh_zps52403637.png " /> At the end of said episode, the guardians wonder whether or not Ryu-Oh’s sap should work on Terrans, not yet realizing that Tenchi had Juraian lineage. Moreover, Sasami accesses the trees on Jurai itself in
TMiL2to help break into Haruna’s realm. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/sasami-jurai_zps23295d5c.png " /> One could easily speculate that there is a symbiosis between the Juraian nobility and the trees, though the details are never made explicit in the series or films.
What are your thoughts?
Tenchismile Ai TenchiThe Juraian tree-ship
Toshikawas at the heart of much of the goings-on for the series. Her and the pink-hilted sword were the “treasure” being hunted by the Science Club the entire time. Much like Haruna’s camellia, Momo’s peach tree seemed to have the ability to warp spacetime, particularly noted by sending Tenchi and Momo tumbling through time in episode 55.
However, it is a point of fact that Beni could use the tree without a key. According to Washu in episode 58, Beni needed “authorization” to do so, and being Momo’s guardian, she seemed to have it.
Also, as demonstrated in episode 60, Toshika was returned to her ship form after being interred for 1300 years, something neither Ryu-Oh nor Funaho has done.
Now, was this the tree’s ability to transform, or time being rewritten to before she crashed?
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- January 9, 2015 at 8:00 PM
I would question the meaning of Yosho’s words:”Each of us in Jurai has our own tree.” as whether or not he meant it has being everyoneor just the nobles and royalsof Jurai. I mean everyonedoesn’t have to mean the entire population of Jurai.Certainly that would mean the planet would be one humunguous forest if that were the case.So I’m thinking he meant it in the
limited sense and not in the all inclusive sense.
Also if he did mean
everyone,then where would the people who were tasked with guarding the trees come from such as the clan that protected the Un-Named Tree in that one manga story?
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- January 9, 2015 at 9:02 PM
mitsuki lover wrote:I would question the meaning of Yosho’s words:”Each of us in Jurai has our own tree.” as whether or not he meant it has being
everyoneor just the nobles and royalsof Jurai. I mean everyonedoesn’t have to mean the entire population of Jurai.Certainly that would mean the planet would be one humunguous forest if that were the case.So I’m thinking he meant it in the
limited sense and not in the all inclusive sense.
Admittedly, Jurai
isa gigantic forest. qt1 Just about every scenery shot or background shot of Jurai in every continuity shows it as a huge arboretum, such as this image fromUniverseepisode 24. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/jurai_zps2f73c527.png " /> As such, your argument about every Juraian not having a tree because of the terrain of the planet is invalid.
mitsuki lover wrote:Also if he did mean
everyone,then where would the people who were tasked with guarding the trees come from such as the clan that protected the Un-Named Tree in that one manga story?
Since Okuda’s manga tangents from the OVA storyline, it has no bearing on the storyline of Universe, except for the manga adaptation ofTMiL1in NNFTvolume 7. Truthfully, as
Universedoes not address the bond between Juraian and tree until the films, and even then only in passing, there is no evidence for or against the theory that every Juraian in the Universehas his or her own tree. That being said, my personal theory is that it is only the nobility in Universeare symbiotically linked to such powerful partners, like in the OVA. My reasoning is that Universeis essentially a reenvisioning of the OVA, not for any reason given in the series itself. From what is stated in the series itself, someone can be of the opinion that every Juraian, noble or otherwise, has a tree and not contradict the anime. -
- January 12, 2015 at 7:21 PM
My own opinion is that it’s just the High Nobility and Royal Houses that are actually linked to the trees.So in this case “ Everyone” can be then be considered similiar to the royal “we”. -
- January 12, 2015 at 8:37 PM
Hasegawa’s first novel would help us understand, at least through small pieces of evidence, that only Juraian royalty/higher ups hold rights to the usage of trees/powers. Kiyone is revealed to be Jurian, yet does not appear to hold any powers. She also discusses the power struggle between the nobility and the common people of the planet, which could infer both a struggle in the political sense, but one of firepower as well. If the nobles are outnumbered by the sheer amount of civilians, wouldn’t the civilians be able to put up some manner of threat to try and push for greater rights? Similarly, in Kajishima’s novels he seems to only include nobility in the list of eligible Jurians for pairing with a tree. We only get to see them a handful of times, including the death of Mitsuki Amaki, but the trees with power appear to be inaccessible to civilians. This is cross-referenced between both sets of novels in stating that by pairing with a tree, it extends the Jurian Royalty’s lifespan by a considerable amount. Referring back to Hasegawa’s novels, she claims that the average Jurian’s lifespan was around 200 years, whereas a Jurian Royal would be granted 10 times that, often living upwards of 2,000 years.
While I understand a good chunk of your research does come from the Universe continuity, a majority of the evidence we’ll find is contained within the OVA. Unless explicitly stated otherwise, we should assume they follow similar rules.
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- January 12, 2015 at 8:55 PM
Ukinojo92 wrote:So is it possible for anyone with Royal Juraian heredity to communicate and access any tree and ask for their power, like a WiFi connection.
Powers threadYes, though there is a degree of control to it. There is a ceremony for nobility to become partnered with their tree, which we witness Azusa undergoing in Novel Jurai. The trees themselves choose who they wish to partner with, and if one is unable to hear the tree’s voice, then the tree is not theirs.
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- February 4, 2015 at 12:47 AM
This post is do to the recent if scans
Quote:Susano wrote:susano wrote:
Since Funaho is on Earth, what will happen to some of Funaho’s fertile seeds. The environment of Earth is almost like Jurai’s to a point. There is the remaining difference between Jurai’s environment and Earth’s. Because of Earth’s environment being almost like Jurai’s, Funaho continues to thrive. Still, Funaho does depend on the powers of Ryoko’s gems to help it survive on Earth.
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I just want to make it clear that Funaho continues to need Ryoko’s gems to help it survive on Earth. Without Ryoko’s gems and the Water of Life, Funaho’s life on Earth will be like the life of a typical tree on Earth. Katsuhito gives a lot of credit to Ryoko’s gems for helping Funaho and him to survive on the planet Earth. After Katsuhito came to Earth, he was not fully aware of the full powers of Ryoko’s gems.
Quote:AstroNerdBoy wrote:Nobuyuki wrote:
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AstroNerdBoy wrote:
Funaho-tree should have died after being planted on Earth. The only thing that kept the tree aliveโ
And sentient, which is probably the more important aspect.
๐ โYeah, absolutely. The sentience would die before the actual tree would have, since the tree would continue living as a regular tree for however long until it too died.
Quote:Susano wrote:I am merely speculating over what may happen to some of Funaho’s fertile seeds. If some of Funaho’s fertile seeds have mutated as a result of Funaho’s presence on Earth, there is going to be a major problem for Jurai. If some of Funaho’s fertile seeds have mutated, there will be a new type of Royal Tree in the Universe. This sub-species of Royal Trees will continue to maintain links with Tsunami. Yet, this possible sub-species may have stronger connections with the Earth than Jurai.
I will rather state that all of Funaho’s fertile seeds will become second generation trees. When Katsuhito finds a fertile seed, he will take care of the seed until the seed can be sent back to Jurai for safer keeping. It will be amazing that Kiriko’s tree Mizuki is one of Funaho’s own children. Still, there is the possiblity that some Funaho’s fertile seeds are rare mutations which I have speculated about.
Going on what is seen in the “if” and what other people have posted, and admittedly I have no idea who anyone is in the “if’s”, leads to this speculation. Is this tree a sub-species of Funaho or a tree created by Tsunami? From what I can tell the if is on earth and the tree is in or created a building. It has a avatar that is a fully interactive detailed humanoid model and apparently is made up of a smaller tree with two clumps of dirt incased by water. Also how interactive and powerful is this tree? it can create sub-space in itself, create a environment, and a avatar to communicate and actively move. But it possible rooted on earth and using the smaller tree to create a body should only allow small movement and not a lot of abilities to use. From the “if” it can also possibly create a different version of itself to maintain itself or using a smaller self to work.
Purely my speculation and input.
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- August 18, 2015 at 8:47 PM
I have a question about Misaki and Funaho’s trees. It seems that it’s common knowledge that they are twins trees and their names are respectively
Karinand Mizuho. I acknowledge their twins state, ’cause it is said in the summary of
STM Jurai, and I have been able to check it out my self in the book Jurai. But, their names are nowhere to be found
. I wasn’t able to find their names in the raw text either, but that’s not absolute.hereThe first time I saw their name was here
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/34/1439929847-tenchi-muyo-vol-10-ch-06-071a.jpg " /> But it is Okuda’s continuity!
I was wondering where, in Kajishima’s work, their names are displayed? A doujinshi maybe?
mmmm1 I doubt Hasegawa has anything to do with it.
And if you have pictures too, now that we’re at it.
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- August 19, 2015 at 12:17 PM
Let’s stick to NNFT. And this answer is not enough
rageblow1 I understand that there is a reason why Karin and Mizuho are referenced in, the holy place of canon,
.AstroNerdBoy’s blogBut the thing is, what is true in the manga is not always true in the OVA. Much like Sadamoto’s Evangelion manga, it’s its own continuity.
Okuda’s manga can be concidered canon where it doesn’t contradict Kajishima’s stuff. And and saying that element of the manga is canon when the series is silent isn’t the right way of thinking.
If we think that way, then say, Ryoko’s backstory with the guy with the staff is part Kajishima’s continuity? Washu’s other apprentice? Cleary, no.
What I wanted to know is if in his own work, Kajishima stated their names…
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Which he did in the novel
YoshoKiyofacepalm1 (just found out, sorry)Quote:Once it seemed that the matter was to be settled when Funaho got the second generation Royal Tree, ‘Mizuho’, and for Misaki ‘Karin’. Here the raw sample of Yosho :
่น็ฉใ็ฌฌไบไธไปฃใฎ็ๅฎถใฎๆจนใ็็ฉใใๅพใใใจใซใใ๏ผ็พ็ ๆจนใฎๆจนใฏใ้้ฑใ […]
็็ฉใใฟใใปใ- Mizuho
้้ฑใใใใใ – Karin
So, yup, my bad, the answer was in front of my eyes.
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- August 20, 2015 at 11:25 PM
I want to note something, not really groundbreaking but something to point out. Karin and Mizuho can split and merge with each other
look at them on the right
http://cdnstatic.visualizeus.com/thumbs/3f/65/anime-3f6524a631ea8a49d87f5ef68e094df2_h.jpg " /> now at both sides
http://cdnstatic.visualizeus.com/thumbs/d3/6b/anime-d36bc6cd2e691855c29b6e432f217739_h.jpg " /> you can tell they are different because Mizuho doesn’t have the straight middle as before on the right in the second picture. Just wanted to point that out in case anyone got confused with only seeing one ship, like in the panel below:
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2015/34/1439929847-tenchi-muyo-vol-10-ch-06-071a.jpg " />
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