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- December 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM
Alternatively, this thread could be called “A Tale of Four Juraians”. In preparation for some writing, I have been researching the end of Universeand the three films, and I noticed an interesting coincidence of events. In Universeepisode 22, Katsuhito states that after a long and wandering journey, he arrived on Earth, alone and grief-stricken. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/yosho_zps36d8871f.png " /> In the next episode, he says that after his battle with Kagato, he decided to leave Jurai, never to return.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato_zps122afd55.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato-yosho_zpse957c45f.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/yosho-washu-ayeka_zpsad345ba0.png " /> At first, this seems to imply that Yosho left Jurai because of the battle with Kagato to end his twisted ambitions. However,
Tenchi Muyo! in Love 2introduces a wrinkle with Haruna. On Jurai, Sasami speaks with the knights, who state that the legendary warrior left because he could not marry his forbidden love. Moreover, they say he forsook the Juraian heiress. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/azaka-kamidake1_zps38be4d36.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/azaka-kamidake2_zps72b1d991.png " /> His departure with Haruna is later corroborated by Katsuhito himself while explaining himself to Washu.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/funaho_zps291f7184.png " /> So, here are our players: Yosho, Kagato, Haruna, and this Juraian heiress. Considering Ayeka’s overall ignorance of both Kagato and Haruna, I believe it is safe to assume that she is not the heiress in question and likely was not even born at the time. This latter assumption is due to the appearance of Juraians to age as Terrans do in
Universe. Notably, Kagato and the battle between the young lords is never mentioned in TMiL2, despite that Universeis in continuity with both in Lovefilms, and clips of the battle play in the second film’s credits. Thus, one asks the question, why did Yosho leave Jurai? Was it his battle with Kagato? Was it his love for Haruna? Perhaps some combination of the two? How does this heiress factor in, if at all? Considering Kagato’s later animosity, was Yosho’s affair with Haruna partially responsible for their battle or his rejection of the heiress?
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- December 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM
I almost thought we were going with the OAV Yosho for a moment… Anywho, it could very well be that Yosho met Haruna while on Earth and decided to bring her back to Jurai itself. However, considering the element of inter-planetary marriages that was touched upon the (non-canon to this) OAV 1, then it can be further surmised that Kagato wasn’t too keen on his decision to marry an outsider. But this is only a thought.
Now as to the identity of the heiress herself, she could very well be Ayeka and Sasami’s mother (or grandmother if looked at properly), and she never bequeathed upon them the knowledge of Yosho’s departure.
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- December 25, 2013 at 1:26 AM
Makoto_Mizuhara wrote:Anywho, it could very well be that Yosho met Haruna while on Earth and decided to bring her back to Jurai itself. However, considering the element of inter-planetary marriages that was touched upon the (non-canon to this) OAV 1,
I believe Haruna is meant to be from Jurai itself, not Earth. First, her death was due to the trip from Jurai to Earth, due to being unaccustomed to life in space. If he had met her on Earth, she would have had to travel from Earth to Jurai in the first place, and then turn around to return.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/bed1_zps38704b6a.png " /> Second, she seemed surprised at seeing Earth from space, a new place for their new life. Her dialogue with Yosho does not seem to indicate that she was some place familiar, let alone returning home.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/bed2_zpsc4c9c800.png " /> Finally, there is her tree. Katsuhito talks briefly about all Juraians having a personal tree, much like the OVA continuity.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/camellia1_zps8904887d.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/camellia2_zps12554cec.png " /> While this does not rule out that she was of some alien world near Jurai and inducted into Jurai’s culture, thus obtaining a tree as in the OVA, Katsuhito’s dialogue does seem to imply that Haruna was a native of Jurai.
Makoto_Mizuhara wrote:then it can be further surmised that Kagato wasn’t too keen on his decision to marry an outsider. But this is only a thought.
Now, I could buy that Haruna was not a noblewoman, and that might have spurred or assisted the split between Kagato and Yosho. Considering Kagato’s desire to end the rightful bloodline of Jurai’s royal family, he might have seen Yosho’s line as corrupt or tainted in this way.
Makoto_Mizuhara wrote:Now as to the identity of the heiress herself, she could very well be Ayeka and Sasami’s mother (or grandmother if looked at properly), and she never bequeathed upon them the knowledge of Yosho’s departure.
That could be a real possibility, considering how Kagato was ready to kill Ayeka equally with Tenchi at the end of
Universe. Although, this could equally be due to him wanting to clear out all other rivals to the throne. Also, if Kagato had known Ayeka’s grandmother, might he not recognize Ayeka or Sasami as he did Tenchi? Perhaps, this could have happened off-screen when Kagato was plotting, particularly as Ayeka was a very public figure. I now have this image of Seto being rejected by Yosho in favor of Haruna, and thus spurned, turned to Kagato for revenge. Naturally, I am speculating.
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- December 25, 2013 at 5:05 AM
Much speculation indeed. And I almost forgot about how Haruna was actually an off-world individual. But no matter how you cut it (to be silly here), Yosho’s still a dirty old bastard. -
- December 25, 2013 at 5:40 AM
Makoto_Mizuhara wrote:And I almost forgot about how Haruna was actually an off-world individual.
When you say “off-world”, do you mean “not from Earth” or “not from Jurai”? I’m a bit confused with your statement.
*Edit: I originally thought you meant she wasn’t from Jurai and asked where your evidence was. Sorry.
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- December 30, 2013 at 5:36 AM
Great topic to research pii. Before going further I have to wonder, in Universecontext, is Yosho full-blooded Jurain and from Jurai (meaning neither he nor any of his ancestors were from Earth, as opposed to OVA) or was he somehow familiar with Earth before, say, he and Haruna left (or fled?) Jurai? My reasons for asking are that I had never given much thought to
UniverseYosho’s motivations for leaving Jurai or staying on Earth; I think I inferred the reasoning would be similar to OVA Yosho. While I very much wish to ponder this further, whether Yosho was familiar with Earth beforehand, or only after discovering it with Haruna, I think his reason for stayingon Earth, at any rate, could be chalked up to what OVA Yosho expressed to Ayeka and company after his skirmish with Kagato: “This is my home, and this is where I wish to be buried.” In short, he had a wanderlust, and after searching aimlessly as a youth, he ended up feeling more at home on Earth than he ever had on Jurai–he fell in love with it. -
- December 30, 2013 at 10:30 PM
wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:Before going further I have to wonder, in
Universecontext, is Yosho full-blooded Jurain and from Jurai (meaning neither he nor any of his ancestors were from Earth, as opposed to OVA) or was he somehow familiar with Earth before, say, he and Haruna left (or fled?) Jurai? Yosho’s lineage is first mentioned by Ayeka and the Juraian agent in
Universeepisode 15 while the household is on the run. He is stated to be the legitimate successor to the throne by both. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/agent_zps9253b042.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/throneroom_zpsbb0e374c.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/statue_zps1256ed2a.png " /> This is corroborated with the opening of episode 16, where Ayeka narrates that Yosho was an imperial son.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/planet-jurai_zps65aac02f.png " /> Later in episode 22, Katsuhito himself admits to being a lineal descendent of Jurai’s royal family.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/katsuhito1_zps1be95e48.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/katsuhito2_zpsac9796a6.png " /> Moreover, Kagato’s whole ruse is dependent on being an undeniable successor to the throne. If there was question of Yosho’s lineage, it would have interfered with Kagato’s rise to power. However, Katsuhito never says that his
entirelineage is Juraian, so the possibility of a non-Juraian ancestor is not ruled-out by dialogue. wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:My reasons for asking are that I had never given much thought to
UniverseYosho’s motivations for leaving Jurai or staying on Earth; I think I inferred the reasoning would be similar to OVA Yosho. While I very much wish to ponder this further, whether Yosho was familiar with Earth beforehand, or only after discovering it with Haruna, From the dialogue, I think Haruna might have heard about Earth before arrival, but not actually seen or visited it (see post about Haruna above). Now, the English dialogue, not the subtitles, has Haruna state that Yosho “chose” this world for them to live on. This would imply that Yosho knew of the world before them arriving there. How much he knew or if he had visited, I do not know.
blush1 wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:I think his reason for
stayingon Earth, at any rate, could be chalked up to what OVA Yosho expressed to Ayeka and company after his skirmish with Kagato: “This is my home, and this is where I wish to be buried.” In short, he had a wanderlust, and after searching aimlessly as a youth, he ended up feeling more at home on Earth than he ever had on Jurai–he fell in love with it. That seems to be exactly what Katsuhito states when he discusses it in
Universecontinuity. In episode 22, he states he decided that Earth’s beauty and people made a welcome place for him to live out his days. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/yosho2_zps5c5f2f7a.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/priests_zpscf2e6a8e.png " /> However,
TMiL2adds Haruna’s tree, which burst back to life after being planted in the Terran soil. Afterward, he met Itsuki, his wife and mother of Achika. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu1_zpsfc6c26e0.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu2_zps241a72ce.png " /> -
- January 3, 2014 at 6:56 PM
I would have to guess that Haruna might have something to do with the reason why Yosho finally decided to leave Jurai.Perhaps like OVA Yosho he was engaged to Aeka and the only way he could escape his commitment was to flee to somewhere else with Haruna.Which explains why he felt so guilty about her death. The again who knows?
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- January 3, 2014 at 11:52 PM
mitsuki lover wrote:I would have to guess that Haruna might have something to do with the reason why Yosho finally decided to leave Jurai.Perhaps like OVA Yosho he was engaged to Aeka and the only way he could escape his commitment was to flee to somewhere else with Haruna.Which explains why he felt so guilty about her death.
Well…the Haruna part of the equation sounds very plausible, but as for Yosho being betrothed to Ayeka specifically, as in OVA, I don’t see that as a possibility. After he reveals himself in
Universe, as he eventually did in OVA, there was no “OMG you’re that guy I was supposed to marry!” reaction of any sort from Ayeka, implying she had never met him before. Even after merely hearing the name “Yosho” during aforementioned descriptor episodes, Ayeka and Sasami both seemed ignorant of the name or any identity associated with it (as would seem natural in Universecontext, Yosho was all but forgotten/erased from Jurain history). -
- January 4, 2014 at 12:34 AM
wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:Even after merely hearing the name “Yosho” during aforementioned descriptor episodes, Ayeka and Sasami both seemed ignorant of the name or any identity associated with it (as would seem natural in
Universecontext, Yosho was all but forgotten/erased from Jurain history). You are nearly correct, Who, though Ayeka in particular states that she has heard the name “Yosho” many times in her life on Jurai. His legend as a warrior was preserved, as well as his abandonment of the throne, but much else, including Kagato’s role, was erased from Jurai’s history. Much like the knights, the broad strokes and victories were remembered, but the details were likely lost to history or politics.
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- January 6, 2014 at 7:02 PM
I think though whatever the relationship that Aeka in Universe might have had with Yosho,she was still a child like in the OVAs when he left so she might not remember him too well.Especially if unlike the OVAs their relationship wasn’t as close.
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- February 7, 2014 at 10:33 PM
mitsuki lover wrote:I think though whatever the relationship that Aeka in Universe might have had with Yosho,she was still a child like in the OVAs when he left so she might not remember him too well.Especially if unlike the OVAs
their relationship wasn’t as close.
Could be, but I wonder if Ayeka was even alive before Yosho left. If (and it is “if” only) Pii is correct (which I must say I wouldn’t doubt, he’s done his homework) in his assumption that Jurains naturally age at the same rate as Earthlings, and there’s no mention in
Universecontext of Jurain trees extending one’s life (I’m ashamed to say it, but I can’t quite remember, proves I need to rewatch!), andif Ayeka in Universewas not travelling in stasis across the stars for an extended period when we’re introduced to her (again, must rewatch! someone chime in if they remember), based on her age and Yosho’s at their meeting on Earth, she couldn’t have even been born yet. Lot of if’s. See Pii’s companion thread for reference:
http://tenchiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1183 ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://tenchiforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=1183 I myself wished to chime in here because I forgot to post my simplified, direct answer to the original question “why did Yosho leave Jurai?” Similar reason to OVA: he likely felt constricted by the ‘über-politics’ of Jurai and sought a quieter life. It’s still interesting to wonder how Haruna fit into the equation (was she rejected by Yosho’s parent(s)? If so, why? If she wasn’t, was Yosho still not content living on Jurai with the woman he loved?), but if
UniverseJurai is anythingthe least bit like OVA Jurai, a go-with-the-flow, free spirit young Yosho likely felt stifled by the responsibilities of rule. -
- April 1, 2014 at 3:50 AM
wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:Could be, but I wonder if Ayeka was even alive before Yosho left. If (and it is “if” only) Pii is correct (which I must say I wouldn’t doubt, he’s done his homework) in his assumption that Jurains naturally age at the same rate as Earthlings, and there’s no mention in
Universecontext of Jurain trees extending one’s life (I’m ashamed to say it, but I can’t quite remember, proves I need to rewatch!), andif Ayeka in Universewas not travelling in stasis across the stars for an extended period when we’re introduced to her (again, must rewatch! someone chime in if they remember), based on her age and Yosho’s at their meeting on Earth, she couldn’t have even been born yet. Lot of if’s. What he said.
mmhmm1 wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:I myself wished to chime in here because I forgot to post my simplified, direct answer to the original question “why did Yosho leave Jurai?” Similar reason to OVA: he likely felt constricted by the ‘über-politics’ of Jurai and sought a quieter life. It’s still interesting to wonder how Haruna fit into the equation (was she rejected by Yosho’s parent(s)? If so, why? If she wasn’t, was Yosho still not content living on Jurai with the woman he loved?), but if
UniverseJurai is anythingthe least bit like OVA Jurai, a go-with-the-flow, free spirit young Yosho likely felt stifled by the responsibilities of rule. I could certainly believe that Jurai was stifling. Look at Ayeka throughout
Universe. She is dying to get away from her responsibilities as crown princess, and if Yosho’s life there had any similarities, I could see him seeking escape as well. Even Sasami mentions to Mirei that she does not like having to be so proper all the time. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/sasami-u18_zpsa14e96ac.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ayeka-u26_zpsc36fd6f8.png " /> As far as his parents accepting Haruna, that could be implied. After all, I would bet that if Yosho’s father did not want them together, he would make sure they were not. Haruna’s English dialogue in the last flashback does say they “couldn’t be happy there”. Even then, Azaka and Kamidake’s dialogue to Sasami in both languages states that Yosho was forbidden to marry her. What it is specifically could likely be debated.
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- April 1, 2014 at 6:58 PM
There is a reference of what happen to the previous Jurian Emperor in the move Tenchi Muyo in Love. The Jurian Emperor had died one hundred years before the events of the movie. The Emperor’s death was a result of stopping the criminal Kain. Yosho had left Jurai sometime before the Earth year 1896. Yosho had travel alone across the galaxy until he came upon the Earth. After arriving on Earth. Yosho had decided to stay on the Earth. He did meet Achika’s mother sometime after his arrival. -
- April 2, 2014 at 12:59 AM
susano wrote:There is a reference of what happen to the previous Jurian Emperor in the move
Tenchi Muyo in Love. The Jurian Emperor had died one hundred years before the events of the movie. The Emperor’s death was a result of stopping the criminal Kain. I would not necessarily say “the previous” Jurai emperor. Washu and the Operative both refer to a Juraian emperor who died by expelling his energy to help the Galaxy Police imprison Kain.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kains_capture_zps7d7b82c8.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu-emperor1_zps39e33974.png " /> http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu-emperor2_zpsd393d274.png " /> The Operative does mention the “current Jurai emperor”, who likely assumed the role after Kagato’s defeat (
Universeepisode 25) and Ayeka’s departure ( Universeepisode 26). http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/current-emperor_zps0f0d5cdf.png " /> However, was there no emperor from Kain’s time in 1896 until Kagato’s coup in 1995? That seems unlikely. Washu’s dialogue in particular might imply that there were two Jurai emperors between 1896 and 1995. I think this might be possible since the lineage would have to shift from Yosho’s branch family to Ayeka’s as she mentions in
Universeepisode 23. http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/branch-families_zps70cdefde.png " /> susano wrote:Yosho had left Jurai sometime before the Earth year 1896. Yosho had travel alone across the galaxy until he came upon the Earth. After arriving on Earth. Yosho had decided to stay on the Earth. He did meet Achika’s mother sometime after his arrival.
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Tenchi Muyo! in Love 2is the direct sequel to Tenchi Muyo! in Love, and Universeby extension, I do not agree with your assessment. The plot of the film tells that Haruna left Jurai with Yosho since they were forbidden to marry, but she died shortly after arriving in Earth’s orbit. Some time later, Yosho met Masaki Itsuki, Achika’s mother, and became “Masaki Katsuhito”. Moreover, in this continuity, Yosho likely did not leave Jurai a century ago. As stated in the
, several details seem to imply that Yosho and Haruna left Jurai about 50-60 years prior to the film. Moreover, Haruna’s English dialogue mentions that she waited for “half a century”. That would place the couple leaving Jurai in 1930-1940, not the 19th Century.the other thread
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