Future Ideas: OVA4 / TU2 / Reboot Thread

exactly, Tenchi in Southpark…but not in a cool way like the totally kew “South Muyo” mash-up vids

:washu: hi becka!

Beau Billingslea

Kyle Hebert

Sonny Strait

Lisa Ann Beley

Wendee Lee (Let’s face it; if she had to, she could play most of the female characters.)

Brian Drummond (Dang it! I like the guy)

Beau Billingslea – Jet Black (Cowboy Bebop), Narrator (Outlaw Star), Oji Tanaka (Black Heaven)

Kyle Herbert – Gohan & Narrator (DBZ), Kamina (Gurren Lagann)

Sonny Strait – Krillin (DBZ), Tom 1.0 (Toonami)

Lisa Ann Beley – Chi Chi (DBZ), Relena Peacecraft (Gundam Wing)

Wendee Lee – Everything, lol – Faye Valentine (Cowboy Bebop), Kiyone (Tenchi In Tokyo through Tenchi Forever), Haruhi (Haruhi Suzumiya), Yahiko Myojin (Rurouni Kenshin)

Brian Drummond – Vegeta (DBZ), Benny (Black Lagoon), Zechs Merquise (Gundam Wing), Allen (Escaflowne)

To name a few, lol

That would have been Sherry Lynn, of course! 😉

Sherry also covered Kiyone in TMiL and the Pretty Sammy OVA’s, while Wendee also played Kiyone in the other 2 movies as well as Tokyo.

Debi Deriberry played Kiyone in the Mihoshi Special.

No she didn’t. I’ve seen that error before, but its quite clearly Sherry Lynn voicing Kiyone in the MS. Tell me, did you find that info here? http://tmau.fateback.com/chara/tenchi/kiyone.html

No idea why the guy has Debi as voicing her.

I don’t really wish for a reboot. Except OAV 3. I think we can all agree too much happened and made people think of bad fanfictions when watching it 😆

Re write it without noike in, and have Petrea do Ryoko again. All will be well then :Tenchismile:

Canterbury Tales….. IN SPACE! I love it :BigSmile:

Looks like *insert Winter holiday of choice here* will be coming a little early this year. Both the Movies and OVAs were just solicited as BD/DVD combo pack with a date of December 4th.

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I agree. While I consider Universe superior to the OAV in most aspects, I never liked that Ryoko’s back story was relatively unknown. I’d like to see it all emphasized, even if it’s manga form.

This is the most important thing right here, whether or not it happened outside of the OVA, we should at least SEE it happen.

343 Studios, the developers who now are behind the Halo franchise, at the DICE 2013 Conference said something very important. They said that the Halo universe is vast and rich in story. But no matter where you come in from, whether you are a super fan or some who just casually plays the games, you will get a complete experience each time in each medium. They referenced the novels behind Halo 4 and said these came out a few months prior to the game launching, and while they do contain a few more backstory tidbits then the game, both of them compliment each other and that you don’t need to have seen or read one to get or understand the other, and that “that was the key to great rich storytelling”

And that is what Tenchi really needs right now.

Fine, who has his first kid

Fine, who has his first kid

We already have a pretty good idea of that, too. 😉

Fine, who has his first kid

We already have a pretty good idea of that, too. 😉

Um? lol

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This is the most important thing right here, whether or not it happened outside of the OVA, we should at least SEE it happen.

343 Studios, the developers who now are behind the Halo franchise, at the DICE 2013 Conference said something very important. They said that the Halo universe is vast and rich in story. But no matter where you come in from, whether you are a super fan or some who just casually plays the games, you will get a complete experience each time in each medium. They referenced the novels behind Halo 4 and said these came out a few months prior to the game launching, and while they do contain a few more backstory tidbits then the game, both of them compliment each other and that you don’t need to have seen or read one to get or understand the other, and that “that was the key to great rich storytelling”

And that is what Tenchi really needs right now.

That’s the problem Tenchi has at this point. It has PLENTY of things in which it could go off of for future storytelling, but it doesn’t for fear of pissing off the fans of the franchise or newcomers who’re wondering WTFOMGBBQ when they just jump in at that point. Sure, the first part of OAV 3 did people a nice bit of service by recapping everything that’s already happened, but there were WAAAY too many characters given just a few seconds of screen time and no other explanation for their appearance other than “Hey! I’m here for my cameo!”

Hell, if it wanted to it could build a series off of the non-canon manga and MAKE it canon for heaven’s sake. But would it be derivative at that point? Maybe, maybe not. I guess it’d all depend on whether or not some of the plot lines work and no original stories are made for TV.

But then the continuity streams would cross and El Hazard would have to be involved somehow as well.

It would be great if they animated some of the aicLove stuff where all the aic properties crossed, we probably wouldn’t see it over here (due to the huge licensing associated with most of those shows together, however, Geneon Universal still owns most of the home video rights so maybe a package deal? who knows) but it would be nice to see El-Hazard and a few others again

Hell, if it wanted to it could build a series off of the non-canon manga and MAKE it canon for heaven’s sake. But would it be derivative at that point? Maybe, maybe not. I guess it’d all depend on whether or not some of the plot lines work and no original stories are made for TV.

We actually talked about this a bit in the Mangacast, they could just cut out the intro which recapped the OVA into the Manga and just go forward and make movies or short one off arc OVA’s based on certain arcs of the Manga, it wouldn’t interfere with Kajishima’s Canon and it would be nice fresh new stuff coming out consistently.

We already had an episode like that, and it helped explain why it is Washu’s trying to get Tenchi’s pants off so often… well, as often as Ryoko (please refer to ‘Hello Baby!’ for this). What needs to happen is more of a connection needs to be made between the series other than the occasional meet-up episode (similar to what happened with ‘xxxHolic’ and ‘Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle’, minus the different animation studios).

I hope so!!

I hope so!!

Or we could see the release of some of the Tenchi games stateside on the Blu-Ray sets made specifically for PS3/PS4. And that’s not going to happen.

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When the picture of Tenko was out on the the cover of the doujinshi Tenchi Sokuhou says that is Ryoko several decades later with her daughter (fans named her Tenko) and the one with her is not Ryo-ohki but rather her child.

See I always thought this, but I don’t think it’s a literal “child”

In the show, they refer to Ryo-Ohki in her egg after the bridge incident “as the child of Ryo-Ohki” even though it’s just Ryo-Ohki phoenix-ing back to life, so I don’t think it’s Ryo-Ohki’s literal “child”,

because Ryo-Ohki isn’t the same type of life form as the rest of the gang, she isn’t even close to human, despite her form (Remember: Washu’s Ovum + Masu = Ryoko, Mineral life (hence why Ryo-ohki has crystals) + Masu = Ryo-Ohki)

So unless Washu added in some reproductive organs that nobody knows about, that’s the same Ryo-Ohki.

because Ryo-Ohki isn’t the same type of life form as the rest of the gang, she isn’t even close to human, despite her form (Remember: Washu’s Ovum + Masu = Ryoko, Mineral life (hence why Ryo-ohki has crystals) + Masu = Ryo-Ohki)

Well you got a point there but I think theres more to Ryo-ohki and Fuku than we think, because we see her developing and looking more as a humanoid…

this is fuku in the future in a doujinshi

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Keep in mind that just because something has humanoid features, that is is human or is even remotely genetically human, things can also grow older and larger and not be human, lol.

Now like I said, there’s always a good chance that Kajishima scribbled in something in his Doujinshi to make it work (because that’s how he’s always fixed a problem without explaining why)

But look at the animal kingdom for an example. You know what a spider is right? It’s an arachnid. You know what a Camel Spider is right? The ones found in the Middle East? Those aren’t actually spiders at all, they are actually insects and not arachnids, and are most closely related to ants.

Ryo-Ohki looks the way she does because of the Masu NOT because she’s human.

hahaha that would be interesting… having a fleet of Ryo-Ohkis :ryoohki: that would make a lot of fuzz

as far a I know it hasn’t… but who knows what kajishima will come up with!!

i would also like to see the kuramitsu family come to earth for a visit but i don’t think they’d have a keen interest in washu. even if that were the case, i honestly don’t see washu being entirely comfortable with them, given the history that went down. it would be really cool to see her reaction and interactions with them tho.

That would be an interesting plot

If susano made all that up, I would say that would be a damn fine story.

yes indeed 🙂

yes that seems logical and convenient :Tenchismile:

Well it could be based on kenchis training

It could be but I think that timeline might be a little off, but who knows is up to kajishima to decide. I hope he keeps it up.

We dont know yet, but the boy some say looks like ryoko and others say he looks like washu. I got a feeling one is from washu and a girl is from Ryoko…

Im with you all the way thats why I think the timeline might be off we should have heard something on wog

Well with the hentai canon I wouldnt be surprised about a kid with Noike almostem

It doesn’t have to be a Masaki, since the throne is decided by political meritocracy among the 4 royal houses. gendo1

How are rulers chosen on Jurai?

Via election from the four royal houses. Before Azusa was elected emperor, the previous emperor was from House Amaki. When he died, the heads of the four royal houses come together to choose a new emperor. Various factors (including normal politics) go into whom is elected, but having a 1st-gen tree as a partner all but assures your election since only five (not counting the 1st-gen seed that bonded with Seina) have chosen to bond with Juraians.

I’d like to know who said this, because most people I speak with found this fascinating and exciting, even if it was just a glimpse of a possible future.

I’ll own up to liking the idea of a reboot, but for the record I also find this latest material as fascinating and exciting as most people. It’s exciting in that it’s the first significant main cast material Kajishima (or anybody else for that matter) has put out in almost a decade, and that it offers a glimpse further into the future than we have ever seen before. Plus, nobody can deny those babies are adorable. The best thing about this material though is that it’s probably the first and best way so far for Kajishima to write himself out of the box he’s been in since OVA 3. Now that we know for a fact that Tenchi is/will be a god, and that eventually the whole family will move to Jurai and rule the universe, it pretty much limits the storytelling potential to the slice of life happenings of the infinitely powerful Masaki household. Interesting, sure, but hardly the stuff of OVA 1, 2, and heck even OVA 3 excitement. I could be completely wrong of course, and Kajishima might have a dozen plans for future galactic life and death conflicts for the main cast, but in all of his many doujins he hasn’t once suggested anything of the sort. War on Geminar/ISM was proof he can still tell a reasonably exciting story outside the bounds of the Masaki house, and I hope that by showing Tenchi’s kids he is laying the groundwork for more such stories. We already know at least one of his kids runs away from the house to make his way in the universe, so I see no reason why we can’t expect others to do the same. It’s that potential to get out of the overpowered Masaki house and back into compelling storytelling that I find so exciting about this new doujin, because without it Tenchi’s story is as finished as it was ten years ago, and that would be very sad.

Tl;dr – I’m excited by the potential this material brings, but if Kajishima continues to focus nearly all of his effort on the already pre-determined plot of the main cast Tenchi will continue to be an exclusively conflict free, slice of life show instead of the grand romantic space opera it once was.

This doesn’t make you less of a hardcore fan than anyone else highgear, and I happen to agree wholeheartedly with your stance. There never has and there never will be a list of required likes and dislikes in order to be a “true” Tenchi fan. Since the manga series ended, Kajishima’s Tenchi has been the only game in town, hence the big reactions whenever he puts out new material. The excitement over this particular doujin is because it’s the first time in almost a decade he’s given fans something (relatively) big to chew on. Trust me, I think Tenchi as a franchise and as a story could be in a much better place than this, but compared to ten years of next to nothing, this is at least a glimmer of hope for new and exciting adventures to come.

As for my reaction to this, aside from my extensive comments in the posts above lol, I’m growing more and more convinced that we are getting closer to new animated Tenchi material! It’s obvious from the increase in main cast material in the last year that either Kajishima finally has something planned, or somebody is riding his ass to gin up excitement in the fanbase in anticipation of something. My bet is that there’s some sort of deal in which we’ll get an original anime, probably Paradise War, paired with an animated continuation of main cast Tenchi!

I’m definitely excited to see what’s in this, and I will be willing to commit big time to the translation effort once we get our copy in a few weeks! Great job JG and Crazed, and I look forward to working with you on the big one!

Or he’ll just retire. 😈

Technically yes, Yosho is first in line. I apologize for the confusion. Yosho would not accept the throne, which was his whole reason for planning to send Tenchi to Jurai in his stead with Ryoko in tow. As such, I tend to move passed Yosho and move to Tenchi, then Seina.

Still, if Tenchi’s power of Light Hawk Wings become known to all the Houses (it is known to House Masaki and House Kamiki for sure), then in my mind, he’d move to the top of the list because he doesn’t need a Royal tree. So that’s what I did, which was incorrect. Thanks for the correction.

I do disagree with you about Tenchi possibly becoming Earth’s ambassador to Jurai. Earth is classified as a colony of Jurai. Further, there’s nothing to indicate that Jurai’s nor Galaxy Police’s presence is known by any nation on Earth. Yosho does have some connection with the Japanese emperor, but how much the emperor knows, I could not say. Earth would have to have a single world government and be declared independent from Jurai before they could have an ambassador.

As to the line of succession, I suspect that Kajishima-sensei has a line in mind, including exactly where Aeka is in that line. I suspect she’d be pretty high though.

I agree. Though, like I said, it’s whatever for me at this point, a reboot, as in “remake” entirely, I personally would not favor either (I was actually thinking more along the “spinoff” route, separate canon, etc., thank you for clarifying), and certainly not any tampering with the originals in any fashion (like Ghost in the Shell 2.0; don’t need no Tenchi Muyo 2.0 thank you very much). Let the original retain its integrity (with the revamped art style, heavily utilizing flashbacks as seen in OVA3 comes too close for comfort to infringing on this in my opinion).

Uh…

Yamato 2199

Evangelion Rebuilds

Berserk

Sailor Moon

I don’t think you can speak for the japanese when every single time anything is released in the form of a reboot, it sells better than most contemporary series, especially those first 2, which dethrone anything as soon as they are released, lol

Now that being said, I think the premise of a doujin dedicated to completely one off or “what if” situations has lots of potential, it means we could explore avenues we haven’t seen for awhile, or maybe even characters that haven’t been around kiyonesmile1

Uh…

You removed the rest of my sentence, which clearly stated, “…though it is not unheard of (obviously).” ;;;

Oh, and Evangelion Rebuilds may end up being a sequel, not a reboot. We won’t know until the bloody thing ends. ^_~

Now that being said, I think the premise of a doujin dedicated to completely one off or “what if” situations has lots of potential, it means we could explore avenues we haven’t seen for awhile, or maybe even characters that haven’t been around kiyonesmile1

I was just reminded that years ago, Kajishima-sensei put out the same kind of caution about his doujinshi as he has in -If-. Basically, the caution is to give himself wiggle room to change his mind, thus the doujinshi are canon until that happens.

Look at “Tenko”. When the character of Ryoko’s daughter was introduced years ago in the doujinshi Tenchi Sokuhou she had a different character design than what Kajishima-sensei has introduced in -If-. Take a look.

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“Tenko’s” character design today is MUCH better than it was back in the day, but that’s why Kajishima-sensei has always put out a cautionary note about his works not being official (or whatever he actually says). I bet if Kajishima-sensei actually told the story from Tenchi Sokuhou, “Tenko” would look as she looks today.

I removed the rest of the sentence because you tried to legitimize your own personal bias against a reboot by saying that the Japanese people don’t like reboots, but covered your butt with that line because you know that’s bull, just like I said, they wouldn’t be paying tens of millions of yen to see Reboots if they didn’t like them.

You’re not going to get castigated here if you have a bias or want something to happen a certain way, but don’t make things up to try and make your point look stronger. mmhmm1

It would benefit better with new content released in the West. At this point, Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki is both not only a closed novel with the bookmark near the end of what we have, but also a novel that isn’t complete. It’s that novel I’ve been dying to finish but can’t right now, so I’ve been reading others (metaphorically of course.)

Let me ask you though; if they did reboot TM!R, what is to say they wouldn’t mix around the characters designs and personalities? They might just turn Ryoko into something you hate, and change Ayeka into your favorite character. Always be aware of this when you go asking for such drastic measures.

Calling it now, if we got a reboot you would all be complaining about it being “moe-fied”.

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Can’t wait to see them in glorious not-super-crappy-low-res photos!

I think everyone agrees with you about this. I mean, the number one thing which has kept so many people excited about Tenchi is probably the fact that we still haven’t got the end of the story after all these years. I don’t think that wanting to finally get that ending and liking the idea of a reboot are mutually exclusive things. What makes me think a reboot might be a good idea at some point is the way in which we’re getting, or more often than not, NOT getting that ending. By revealing that most of the cast are essentially gods, and by setting the “they all go to Jurai and rule the universe forever” ending in stone I fear that Kajishima has severely hampered his ability to make the final journey to that conclusion compelling or meaningful in any significant way. As I said a few posts back I could be totally wrong about this, but I think the fact that we’ve seen almost nothing in the way of conflict or growth in the main cast from the doujins is very telling. This latest doujin is certainly a big improvement, but it still hasn’t done anything to address the larger problem facing the main cast story, which boils down to a simple question: Where can they go from here? With the ultimate ending already known, and with the household so powerful that nothing can touch them, the conclusion that we’re all yearning for is likely to be nothing more than a “Then Tenchi did such and such. Then his second child was born. Then Ryo-Ohki did something cute, etc., etc.” type of ending, and for me, personally, that just doesn’t cut the mustard. If there’s no way for Kajishima to escape this, and again I don’t know for sure that there isn’t, then I see no reason why starting from scratch in order to get it right would be a bad idea.

All this being said, neither I nor anyone else is advocating totally getting rid of the current continuity. There’s plenty of really exciting things outside of the landlocked main cast story left to explore. Like ANB mentioned above, the Shin Novels would make excellent “prequel” animations, and as I talked about in a previous post there’s great potential in the story of Tenchi’s extended family like Kenshi and now these new children.

tl;dr – I think we’re all on the same page with wanting the conclusion to the story, the difference simply lies in how we’d like to get there.

Let me ask you though; if they did reboot TM!R, what is to say they wouldn’t mix around the characters designs and personalities? They might just turn Ryoko into something you hate, and change Ayeka into your favorite character. Always be aware of this when you go asking for such drastic measures.

You’re absolutely right, and this is something that should definitely be weighed when considering a reboot. It’s always a crap shoot in the remake game, and you never know what you’re going to come up with. Sometimes the changes they make ruin a beloved story, but other times they end up being strokes of genius that breathe new life into moribund concepts. I reference the 00’s remake of Battlestar Galactica and all the other classic franchises which have seen renewals after being remade. Remaking a legend is never an easy task, and it would be bound to turn off some older fans, but I think the infusion of fresh ideas would do Tenchi a world of good, and I’d be willing to accept the risk of them screwing it up if it meant “righting the ship.”

If they indeed went with a moe style I would certainly be upset, however I think the trend of “moe-fying” everything is rapidly falling by the wayside. There are, of course, plenty of moe shows still being made, and as long as there is a market for them there always will be. That being said, for shows that aren’t aimed at that particular audience, which I’m almost certain a Tenchi remake wouldn’t be, then the moe art style is hardly used any more.

I’m curious though, if there actually was a reboot/remake/whatever-you-wanna-call-it and it ended with let’s say, Ayeka, as the single choice for Tenchi, would you all be okay with that or is it only okay if it goes exactly as you want it to go? I am genuinely curious about this.

If it were written in a compelling and believable way I wouldn’t have a problem with it. The reason many people here choose to ship one particular pairing (mostly Ryoko/Tenchi, but there are plenty others here) is because they believe that their character, as portrayed in the show, has the qualities that objectively make them the best fit for Tenchi, not some Waifu obsession or “rabid fanboyism” as has been alleged in certain other corners of the internet. If the writers were to make a convincing case for Ayeka, or any other character for that matter, there’d probably be some disappointment, but I’d have a much easier time accepting it than the harem ending, which has always seemed like a cop out to me.

Calling it now, if we got a reboot you would all be complaining about it being “moe-fied”.

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Also, I was going through that derpy noike meme page, and one of them was something like “like harem anime, don’t like harem ending”… still kind of torn, because once I thought about how the loving family would be torn apart I was beginning to be ok with it, but it can certainly be written that if he picks one girl, they all find happiness in the future. I also just love shojo and love triangles, so as a young girl, that drew me in to Tenchi, not necessarily the harem-y-ness? lol So if there were a remake/reboot, again… I don’t think I would like a harem ending ;A; but then…. I also think about the characters, and in that doujinshi they all look so happy and loving and ahhhh ;A;

Yes, Sasami takes herself out of the running, otherwise she’d be first in line as the partner of Tsunami-ki.

The more I read this line the more I realize it was probably a criticism. And the more I like itdespite the fact I think it’s a shite macro.

So after much deliberation in my war room, I’ve come to a conclusion on the following points on a reboot;

-A one choice ending (heavily pro-Ryoko from the sound of it)

-Less fan service/sexy antics

-More focus on humor, possibly fourth wall breaking

-Inclusion of lesser known/non-OVA characters

In a sense, this is to be a continuation of the Universe storyline, something that has even less of a chance of a fourth OVA storyline at being created. Not so much a reboot/remake (which in a way Universe was of OVA continuity only dumbed down slightly) but a sequel of the TV series. Have I missed something here or have I covered the basics?

Did it go a little something like THIS? 😆

Lol, anyway, I don’t know where you got those points in the previous posts, but they certainly are NOT what I had in mind when I was talking about a reboot, and are definitely not all things that that I would be keen on having in a reboot.

-A one choice ending (heavily pro-Ryoko from the sound of it)

-Less fan service/sexy antics

-More focus on humor, possibly fourth wall breaking

-Inclusion of lesser known/non-OVA characters

The first point is not something that is all-important for me, although I do very much prefer a one choice ending, and I do lean on the side of it being Ryoko. As I said in a previous post, I would be fine with having the choice be one of the other girls if it were well written, and JG even listed at least three other possible endings that don’t involve a single choice which I would be perfectly satisfied with if done correctly. My only real demand in this regard is that whatever ending it would end up having be compelling, well written, and not only make sense plot-wise, but character-wise and quality-wise as well, which the harem ending simply has never been for me.

I don’t agree with the second point at all. Sexiness has always been one of Tenchi Muyo!’s greatest features, from Tenchi running headlong into Ryoko’s bazoombas in episode 1 to the legendary Nurse Washu scene. For the most part I’m actually ok with how the sex appeal/fanservice is in the OVA currently. It’s not overbearing, and it certainly is much tamer than a lot of other shows these days. My only wish would be that Kajishima, or whoever would helm this hypothetical remake, look back to the subtler, more creative (and in my opinion sexier) fanservice of the first two OVAs, and not just rely on big breasted women and bath scenes.

I’m not for the third point either. Again, I think this is something the modern OVA continuity has decently well together, but I think there is plenty of room to improve. Instead of wanting more humor, what I really want is for Tenchi to get back to its roots and be a grand space fantasy/adventure story again. For me, Tenchi was never better than in OVA 1, which certainly had great comedic moments, but really dazzled when it came to telling an exciting story about aliens, deities, and a regular boy’s coming to terms with his destiny. Tenchi Universe took this concept and tweaked it for the TV medium (to great effect in my opinion), but for a hypothetical straight remake of OVA, I would absolutely prefer the classic, purer high fantasy over a more comedic show. As for fourth wall breaking, I assume you’re referring to the manga series, which I think is fantastic, but I think that is something better suited to its own medium and wouldn’t transfer well to an anime.

As for the last point, this one I agree a bit more with, but with qualifications. It would undoubtedly tickle me greatly to have Kiyone Makibi and a few other characters from other continuities, and I’m positive the writers would have no trouble at all working them in in a compelling and sensible way. However, it’s not a deal breaker for me if they choose to stick with established OVA characters only in this hypothetical remake. In fact, I would be perfectly happy if they included all of the much maligned new additions of OVA 3, all I would ask is that this time they be properly introduced instead of just appearing, and that most importantly they give me a reason to care about them and get invested in them this time. All I’m really trying to say is that outside of the main cast, they can add or remove whatever characters they want as long as those characters we get are well written, dynamic, and growing.

tl;dr – I think you’ve seriously misread at least my conception of a hypothetical remake. I don’t want to change the DNA of the OVA continuity or turn it into something else entirely, I just want it to get back to what made it so damn good in the first place. The little details are nothing to me as long as the writing and direction tracks with that goal.

The more I read this line the more I realize it was probably a criticism. And the more I like itdespite the fact I think it’s a shite macro.

That’s how I took it, I thought it was making fun of us who enjoy it but would prefer he picks a girl

Technically yes, Yosho is first in line. I apologize for the confusion. Yosho would not accept the throne, which was his whole reason for planning to send Tenchi to Jurai in his stead with Ryoko in tow. As such, I tend to move passed Yosho and move to Tenchi, then Seina.

Still, if Tenchi’s power of Light Hawk Wings become known to all the Houses (it is known to House Masaki and House Kamiki for sure), then in my mind, he’d move to the top of the list because he doesn’t need a Royal tree. So that’s what I did, which was incorrect. Thanks for the correction.

I do disagree with you about Tenchi possibly becoming Earth’s ambassador to Jurai. Earth is classified as a colony of Jurai. Further, there’s nothing to indicate that Jurai’s nor Galaxy Police’s presence is known by any nation on Earth. Yosho does have some connection with the Japanese emperor, but how much the emperor knows, I could not say. Earth would have to have a single world government and be declared independent from Jurai before they could have an ambassador.

As to the line of succession, I suspect that Kajishima-sensei has a line in mind, including exactly where Aeka is in that line. I suspect she’d be pretty high though.

I will have to agreed with you about Tenchi not becoming the Ambassador of Earth. Tenchi’s reason for not wanting to become Earth’s ambassador is the fact that he is not interested in Jurain politics. Still sometime after contact, Tenchi and most of his family will move to Jurai.

When it comes to Earth’s ambassabor, Kiriko Masaki Jurai will be the best choice. She knows what does go on Jurai esp. with the Jurain Royal Court. Kriko will convince Jurai that Earth will need to become a semi-autonomous colony of Jurai after contact. At the present moment, only a few people on Earth are aware of the fact that it is a Jurain colony.

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Like Ryoko being prim and proper and Ayeka slamming down sake and belching? That’d be pretty funny, at least for an episode.

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^ Tenchi would never leave the lab.

^ Tenchi would never leave the lab.

Sounds about right 😆

That would be Miss Hasegawa’s First Tenchi novel.

That would be Miss Hasegawa’s First Tenchi novel.

Unfortunately, a LOT of Tenchi fans don’t know about it. Crazed and Nil here have done a lot of work to translate/localize the first novel, and not only is it and the rest of the novels being worked on worth supporting, it’s worth the read.

& on that note, Greenthumb, I totally agree. It would be awesome to get to see it.

I think there’s a lot of validity to that line of thinking. Of all things out there, Tenchi has precedence for just starting from scratch: we know these characters, throw them into another slightly different setup, you’re pretty much golden.

There’s also reason to believe they’ll attempt just that with Ai, because as many on this very board have said for a long time (and we’re just now having confirmed more or less by Kajishima himself), AIC (or any big producer, I’d reckon) isn’t biting; they’re not buying what Kajishima tried to sell via IF. There’s nowhere to go after OVA 3 that’s commercially viable: story-wise and format-wise (long OVA’s are not the format of choice anymore). Rather than put the burden on some would-be director and writers to try and work with the corner Kajishima has painted himself in, it’d make more sense to just start with a clean slate yet again.

I certainly don’t mind seeing ideas for OVA 4, but unfortunately (and yet fortunately) I don’t think it will ever happen.

Yeah, even though we could throw it here we’ll let it stand as a separate thread, as long as it’s specifically related to aforementioned “consensus” and OVA 4. General ideas on OVA 4, TU 2, TMiL 3 or anything else can still go here.

No one knows why as Petrea has never spoken about that matter publicly, although she has come close recently.

The current prevailing hypothesis (made by yours truly), if we were to follow what happened publicly between the original cast of Trigun and Funimation for Badlands Rumble, then one can surmise that Petrea was asking for a respectable amount of money which Funimation was unwilling to pay, and instead dubbed it without her with Mona Marshall.

Adding to this is the fact that Matt Miller, a proud SAG member, had no problem alluding to the fact his performance in OVA3 was because Funimation were paying him next to nothing “You get what you pay for”, as he said.

Naturally I think after the overwhelmingly negative response that Mona got in GXP and OVA3 (Which even FUNi staff have admitted on the Anime News Network Podcast) if anything, they’ll sign Petrea before they sign anyone else at this point.

So who is this new VA for Ryoko that ‘everyone’ hates?

See above

I’ve said it multiple times on here and in podcasts, but I think I can speak for most fans, in that we do not hate Mona Marshall as a voice actress, she does what she does well, but as a replacement for Ryoko, she was one of the worst calls and choices they could have picked (which lends somewhat credence to the idea that maybe Mona was a last resort and they just couldn’t seal the deal with Petrea in a timely manner and just doubled down)

It is also like I said before there are many harem animes built up in the exact same way with almost identical situations in which Tenchi is in now, but they end with the guy actually choosing one girl. So there is nothing wrong with Tenchi actually choosing a girl, since that is what most fans want to see, and most want to see him choose Ryoko. If he chooses her it would not be the end, it would be a way for fans to see how the rest progressively come to terms with his decision as their relationship grows, which is something most wanted to see at the end of Tenchi Universe. It would open new possibilities and storylines on how Ryoko’s and Tenchi’s relationship grow, while still living just as a family with the rest. This would actually be a more interesting concept and plot line. Some fans have even suggested on how during their future adventures in new OVA’s they travel through space and the others meet up other people who become allies to Tenchi and who become love interests to the other girls, ending with all of them living together in maybe a huge imperial villa. That would be way more interesting to see how the different families interact with the girls arguing and dragging their poor husbands into it, and going off on adventures together.

I really like these 2 because they have the potential to expand some areas we rarely see.

Ayeka and Sasami are often times put into the background, and having THEM be the targets would be interesting because they are going to be in the spotlight more, thus seeing more emotion.

The idea of essentially reversing the plot of Tenchi Muyo in Love 2 would be awesome because it would force Tenchi to show real emotion, and less “reactive” emotion, who is he going to try and get to remember him first? How would he go about making each of them remember? Who would be the first?

Great ideas Ukinojo.

Dagon123 wrote:

The idea of essentially reversing the plot of Tenchi Muyo in Love 2 would be awesome because it would force Tenchi to show real emotion, and less “reactive” emotion, who is he going to try and get to remember him first? How would he go about making each of them remember? Who would be the first?

My guess, if the erasing memories story was took up, it would be Washu first. Hypothetically, if they were all in the house when they woke up with no memories, except Tenchi, Washu would be the first to notice and ask. Ryoko would probably fight or fly off and resume piracy, Ayeka would be bewildered and resume princess role and try to leave or talk down to everyone. Mihoshi would probably just eat or say hi and be friendly, but then realize Ryoko is a pirate then chase her. Sasami would most likely be the most friendly to Tenchi, like in OVA 2. Out of all of this, Washu would question, “Why am I in a house, on earth with: princesses, a pirate, a space cop, and a earthling boy talking like he knows me?” and take initiative to find out. Washu would question Tenchi and examine him and herself, and find out what happened, then move on to the others.

Next would be Ayeka and Sasami, them being princesses on earth they would probably call for a ride home or demand a explanation from Tenchi. Having Washu explain with her science, Ayeka would be skeptical at first but then reason why would she be with her sister on earth in a house with a boy and a genius scientist and cautiously follow them, Sasami would just follow along her sister.

Washu would eventually track Mihoshi because she is a cop and isn’t trying to hide or run like Ryoko. My guess after they meet with her she trips and hits her head and then remembers, or Washu uses a frying pan to hit her, or a piko hammer. Ryoko, the best for last, with all the gang almost back and remembered, they would do their best to convince her, while not being shot at by her. My hypothetical is that when she left, she would “feel” something amiss in herself. And when she meets Tenchi again, hearing him naturally talk to her would spark something, a feeling of comfort or place in the group that came to her.

The reason I say Ryoko would be last because it would be like the roles or In Love 2 reversed, Tenchi coming to Ryoko to bring her back, the same way Ryoko brought Tenchi back.

Totally my thoughts on what Dagon said

After the Renza Federation girls are integrated into Seina’s crew, Yuzuha breaks into the OVA reality via the Tree of Darkness since the dimensional fabric is still weak after Tenchi’s esoteric spasm in OVA series 3. She wrecks Jurai’s fleet, as well as the GP and the Galaxy Army. The Chousin swoop down to take her down and get wrecked just as much. Tenchi breaks 100 dimensions, killing everyone except Tokimi. The chaos goddess then uses the last of her life force to reset the universe one last time. However, now this universe will have no god, not even Tenchi.

Where’s my check? aquateencarl1

At your real job, lol. But seriously, the idea sounds like you would need to marathon or cut parts from every continuity to explain it. Also the last part sounds like the ending to Space Dandy. qt1

I apologize if the sarcasm of my previous post was not well-received. The video was the source of the quote I paraphrased. However, I do believe what I have proposed is feasible and satisfies several of the criteria you have set forward. Allow me to elaborate.

First, the OVA continuity is overflowing with characters that serve little purpose than background, and yet have entire series dedicated to them. One way to trim the fat of the series would be the cull them. I claim a powerful adversary could easily achieve this.

Second, most of the cast in the OVA are nearly untouchable (e.g. Tenchi, Washu, Seto). Even Seina seems to have a guardian angel being saved by Ryo-Ohki, the Chobimaru, Mikagami, and the Zinv idol. I have already explained at length my issues with OVA 3 and GXP in terms of plot and characterization, so I will not repeat myself here. The protagonists need to be hurt, shown to be lacking. Without a struggle or journey, there is no story. An adversary seen destroying much of the universe’s military might would establish this very conflict, much like Kagato’s massacre of the White Rock Fleet in OVA 1 episode 4.

Further addressing the untouchable aspect, the deity of the cast should be removed, along with the “universal reset” option. Why have any plot or development if it can be just washed away with the literal wave of a hand as in OVA 3 episode 6? Admittedly, Hexagram of Love did this also, but only after every one of the main cast lay dead. In fact, this is the very vein I have proposed. Hurt the protagonists, even kill them. Make the cast vulnerable, fallible. Make the audience feel for those characters as they suffer. Put them into a desperate position where the reset is the only option left, but at a price. Use it once and then never again. I believe having Tokimi reset the universe with her last breath would endear her more so than as a flying chibi. I envision this much like Crisis on Infinite Earths from DC Comics, where many incarnations of famous characters died to be reborn in a new fused universe.

In short, as we have stated before in other threads, whatever incarnation the series takes, it must evoke some emotion from the audience to be successful. The audience must care about the characters. As such, they need events to make them grow, change, and most importantly, mature. Conflict is necessary for this, whether it is man-vs.-man, man-vs.-god, or man-vs.-self. These events should not be a farce, like Misao and Masishu’s fake predicament aboard the Chobimaru in OVA 3 episode 5, where the event was openly staged. Make it real drama, where someone can lose and be defeated. Give a crisis to be resolved.

I resubmit my proposal for a dark force (e.g. Yuzuha, Kain) entering the OVA universe via a fissure caused by Tenchi’s spasm in OVA 3 episode 6. This adds continuity with the existing works, as well as gives them consequences. I chose Yuzuha because she arises from Hasegawa’s novels, the tenth specifically. Since her novels follow OVA 1, one could adapt more easily than from, say, Universe or Tokyo. A display of power by offing many of the military powers would establish the villain as a significant threat, particularly if core characters started dying in the process. Tenchi breaking dimensions was an exaggeration from OVA 3 episode 6, but him killing everyone in the process was straight from Hexgram of Love. I chose Tokimi to resurrect the universe with her last breath since, unlike Washu and Tsunami, she has not had time to be endeared to the audience, even in the doujinshi or novels. This final act of salvation would give a reason to care about her, the last Chousin standing, watching her sisters and friends die, the one to save them all. Notably, this is in opposition to how I would usually write her.

Also the last part sounds like the ending to Space Dandy. qt1

Yes, Ukinojo, this would be like the ending of Space Dandy, by design. Dandy realized being a god is not fun. Where is the adventure or drama or passion of the finiteness of life when you are omniscient and omnipotent? This is a main theme in most fiction that being eternal has negative effects, not happiness forever. Unless a god-like storyline can be made compelling, it should not exist. Hence, erase it from existence.

But seriously, the idea sounds like you would need to marathon or cut parts from every continuity to explain it.

This is false. Except for Yuzuha, my proposal relies only on the OVA series 1-3 and GXP. The Galaxy Army is established in GXP, the Galaxy Police in OVA 1, and the Chousin are a point on OVA 3. I took ideas and inspiration from Hasegawa’s novels, but not explicit events.