When Did Yosho and Haruna Arrive on Earth?

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- February 7, 2014 at 1:25 AM
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evilpii
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This is a followup thread to “Why Did Universe Yosho Leave Jurai?” concerning the state of Earth when Yosho and Haruna arrived on Earth. I prelude this discussion with the fact that the description I give here is heavily weighted by speculation based upon the few facts revealed in Universe and TMiL2. Here are my underlying assumptions for the Universe continuity:

Juraians seem to age at the same rate as Terrans. I quote Ayeka from Universe episode 15, where she say she heard the story of Yosho from “many decades” ago, not “centuries”.

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Yosho/Katsuhito is chronologically as old as he appears, about 80 years old in 1995-6 when Universe and TMiL1 take place. I reference Universe episode 23, where Kagato comments on Yosho’s age. I also reference TMiL2, where Katsuhito is shown young standing next to Itsuki with an infant Achika.

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Taking these into account, Yosho would have been born roughly around 1916. In TMiL2, Haruna ages Tenchi to roughly the same age she remembered Yosho, which seems to be in his twenties. Let us say that Haruna and Yosho left Jurai when he was about 22. The couple would have arrived on Earth around 1938, shortly after the Second Sino-Japanese War began. This conflict later merged into World War II when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941.

One can also count years backward from TMiL1. Achika was in high school in 1970, say about 16-7 years old. That would mean she was born roughly around 1953, and in TMiL2, there is a brief frame of Katsuhito’s exposition to Washu where a young Katsuhito is with Itsuki holding an infant Achika. The backdrop seems an older styled Japanese house with a television. Checking the records, regular television broadcasts started around Japan in 1950, which seems to corroborate the backdrop. One can then estimate that Yosho had to arrive sometime before the 1950s in order to meet and woo Itsuki. Moreover, Katsuhito’s discussion also has images of Itsuki as a child, perhaps inferring that she saw her first as a young girl. If Itsuki was in her twenties when Achika was born, Yosho may have seen her as a child 10-15 years earlier. This would place him in Japan around 1935-1940 as well.

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This proposed timeframe raises some rather startling coincidences. Shortly after Haruna’s death, Yosho would have set foot onto Earth, a world at war. Would he have involved himself in the conflict? Would he have exiled himself to the hills of Okayama? When did he meet Itsuki during his time on Earth? Reading the history, the city Okayama was nearly destroyed in 1945. Would Yosho have defended his newfound home in this time of crisis?

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- - February 7, 2014 at 5:32 AM
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  Yosho24
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  Very interesting speculation pii. It would be fascinating to see this have an official explanation, just the thought of Katsuhito having to defend his homeland in a time of war would be epic. It’s a shame that the universe continuity of Yosho’s past wasn’t as fleshed out as his OVA counterpart’s.(I’m referring to the Yosho novel.) It would have made for some truly interesting story arcs.
- - February 7, 2014 at 9:12 PM
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  mitsuki lover
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  Though as a priest wouldn’t he have been exempted from any military service,if indeed their arrival was around
  
  1938?
  
  When Tenchi Forever does flashback to Yosho in Japan it does seem to be during a period of relative calm and peace,so I wonder if it might have been just before the Military took over the government.
- - February 7, 2014 at 11:05 PM
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  wwwwhhhhoooo
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  Pii, man…..
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  ~~evilpii wrote:~~
  
  Taking these into account, Yosho would have been born roughly around 1916.
  
  This all adds up pretty squarely to me, provided that the distance between the two worlds doesn’t factor in [significantly] with the whole time/space relativity thingy affecting time/people’s age/exact birth date from Earth’s perspective* (interesting how as far as travel goes, Universe ships don’t seem to use the wormhole approach utilized by Azusa in OVA)
  
  *I’ve no idea what I’m talking about here, science stuff n all, so there’s that
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  I would guess Yosho would have stayed out of the conflict, 1) he seems to have pacifist tendencies, despite being a lethal killing machine, 2) which side would he take? sure, Japan seems obvious, it’s his home, but even though his family ends up being Japanese, he would likely still see himself as an outsider looking in, a foreigner on the edge of a conflict between two groups of Earthlings (though if it ever came to it, of course he’d defend his homestead and family) but that’s just my guess.
- - February 8, 2014 at 12:02 AM
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  SilverWhisper
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  ~~evilpii wrote:~~
  
  This proposed timeframe raises some rather startling coincidences. Shortly after Haruna’s death, Yosho would have set foot onto Earth, a world at war. Would he have involved himself in the conflict? Would he have exiled himself to the hills of Okayama? When did he meet Itsuki during his time on Earth? Reading the history, the city Okayama was nearly destroyed in 1945. Would Yosho have defended his newfound home in this time of crisis?
  
  Unless you mean the Okayama Prefecture, it’s established in the OVA continuity the setting is closer Kurashiki City. It seems logical Universe Yosho/Katsuhito stayed out of World War II, but was involved with the mourning period afterwards as a priest, and established his own judgement of humanity as more “gentle” than Juraian beings. Also in the Universe continuity, before Nobuyuki married into the family and expanded the house, it was shown to have always existed in the hills, thus would have been unaffected from the bombing of coastal lowlands, which were mostly industrial.
- - February 12, 2014 at 7:02 PM
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  mitsuki lover
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  Then the question would be how much of a Pacifist is Yosho?
  
  btw:I would take it that Yosho would have been somewhere in his 20s when he left Jurai and settled in Japan,
  
  if he arrived just shortly before Pearl Harbor was bombed.That is taking 1953 as the birth year for his daughter.
  
  So we can guess he was born around 1918-1922.
- - April 1, 2014 at 2:40 AM
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  evilpii
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  ~~Yosho24 wrote:~~
  
  It’s a shame that the universe continuity of Yosho’s past wasn’t as fleshed out as his OVA counterpart’s.(I’m referring to the Yosho novel.) It would have made for some truly interesting story arcs.
  
  Universe Yosho’s backstory would be an interesting read, although leaving it a mystery does leave the fun for speculation. Tenchismile
  
  ~~mitsuki lover wrote:~~
  
  Though as a priest wouldn’t he have been exempted from any military service,if indeed their arrival was around
  
  1938?
  
  When Tenchi Forever does flashback to Yosho in Japan it does seem to be during a period of relative calm and peace,so I wonder if it might have been just before the Military took over the government.
  
  I am not certain about Japan’s policies regarding military service for clergy. However, Chuck and I have discussed that Yosho might have arrived before Japan became embroiled with China in the 1930s. Also, some of this depends on when Yosho became “Masaki Katsuhito” and a priest. Involvement with Japan’s government or military might be more of an issue while he was wandering around Japan between Haruna’s death and his marriage to Itsuki.
  
  ~~wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:~~
  
  This all adds up pretty squarely to me, provided that the distance between the two worlds doesn’t factor in [significantly] with the whole time/space relativity thingy affecting time/people’s age/exact birth date from Earth’s perspective* (interesting how as far as travel goes, Universe ships don’t seem to use the wormhole approach utilized by Azusa in OVA)
  
  I was assuming that Yagami, Ryo-Ohki, and such had FTL capability, which is why they are able to cross from Earth to Jurai in a matter of months rather than centuries. I did neglect such matters in my estimates. Sorry that threw anything off. blush1
  
  ~~wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:~~
  
  I would guess Yosho would have stayed out of the conflict, 1) he seems to have pacifist tendencies, despite being a lethal killing machine, 2) which side would he take? sure, Japan seems obvious, it’s his home, but even though his family ends up being Japanese, he would likely still see himself as an outsider looking in, a foreigner on the edge of a conflict between two groups of Earthlings (though if it ever came to it, of course he’d defend his homestead and family) but that’s just my guess.
  
  ~~mitsuki lover wrote:~~
  
  Then the question would be how much of a Pacifist is Yosho?
  
  ~~SilverWhisper wrote:~~
  
  It seems logical Universe Yosho/Katsuhito stayed out of World War II, but was involved with the mourning period afterwards as a priest, and established his own judgement of humanity as more “gentle” than Juraian beings.
  
  After chatting with everyone, I would expect Yosho would keep out of Earth’s internal nonsense. Considering he would have lost Haruna in recent memory and battled Kagato before that, he likely would not be looking for more trouble. He might just hide out in the countryside, or as some others have mentioned in minichat and Mumble, Yosho/Katsuhito might have helped with the relief or reconstruction efforts after the war. That might be the best role for him in his new life as a priest.
  
  ~~mitsuki lover wrote:~~
  
  btw:I would take it that Yosho would have been somewhere in his 20s when he left Jurai and settled in Japan,
  
  if he arrived just shortly before Pearl Harbor was bombed.That is taking 1953 as the birth year for his daughter.
  
  So we can guess he was born around 1918-1922.
  
  That sits pretty well with my original post on that. Tenchismile
  
  ~~SilverWhisper wrote:~~
  
  Unless you mean the Okayama Prefecture, it’s established in the OVA continuity the setting is closer Kurashiki City.
  
  Unless Google Maps has this wrong, Kurashiki and Okayama are about 10 mi apart, so the distance is negligible in an age with automobiles.
  
  ~~SilverWhisper wrote:~~
  
  Also in the Universe continuity, before Nobuyuki married into the family and expanded the house, it was shown to have always existed in the hills, thus would have been unaffected from the bombing of coastal lowlands, which were mostly industrial.
  
  He might have likely seen refugees from the city, particularly those fleeing for sanctuary of a shrine to escape the bombardments. Even then, he would likely hear and feel the rumbles from distant explosions from ~10 mi away. Considering the scale of the conflict, I have a hard time believing he could remain ignorant, unaffected, or completely idle during that era.

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