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    I actually agree with you on the first part mitsuki lover, he does only see Sasami as a little sister no matter how old she is. But I disagree with you on the second part. A tournament is no way to decide who you should be with. That is like making the person more of a prize than a life partner and shouldn’t be done for either guys or girls as the prize. That also still makes Tenchi indecisive as it makes him look like he can’t make up his mind for himself, which is part of growing up. No he needs to make a decision on his own and choose which one for himself. I still say he should and will choose Ryoko. I’m with DragonLord. RYOKO AND TENCHI FOREVER!!!
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    In terms of using the phrase everyone it is specific enough in the context it was used so does not require explanation. For the rest of the posts, this is a thread about correcting the mistakes of OVA 3 or removing it all together by in making a better OVA 4 or OVA 3 version 2.0 and rewriting it completely with the mistakes corrected.

    Future ideas can be posted as long as they deal with correcting these mistakes (such as more development in terms of relationships, example Tenchi and Ryoko, or some of the other girls finding other love interests in the end as suggested in the post above) or finding solutions for plot points or events that you felt were mistaken or wrong. Those posts for future ideas specifically that don’t already involve some event or plot point that you feel was mistaken that has already occurred in Tenchi, there is another thread for that.

    Deathsight
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    Yet again I have to disagree with you mistsuki lover, it has not already gone that way as nothing is set in stone. Two it is not impossible to continue a Tenchi and Ryoko relationship, while adding the other girls. The introduction of the other girls does not hinder any further development of a Tenchi and Ryoko relationship, as you can still see the structure of the show being about between the two of them in the way it plays out. The whole premise of the show is about who he is going to choose, which girl is he eventually going to end up with. This was how it was through OVA 1, but after the disagreement between Hayashi and Hasegawa with him those two left. While he then used their notes and scripts for OVA 2 but with his version of damage control which devalued the characterization with changing a few things. He then tried to force a notion of a harem ending in OVA 3 which doesn’t work because of the way the story is structured and the characters losing their characterization to do that, which helps to result in a horrible ending.

    Add to the fact that most fans and viewers don’t want a harem ending and that the company that owns the rights is no longer keen to listening to his ideas and you get the fact that the harem ending more than likely will not happen due to a number of factors that are happening, in no small way due to fan response.

    So it is very possible and likely for more development between Tenchi and Ryoko on top of the already significant development they have had so far. Also to answer the question from Almael no Sasami was not established as the final bride in the future.

    Deathsight
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    Nobuyuki wrote:

    Well, Hayashi saw it that way, anyway. :/

    Yeah as well as Miss Hasegawa who is the other co-creator of Tenchi Muyo.

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    Yeah, it was episode 7. ;)

    I would have to say a little bit later than that, but either way that development is really weak with just singular moments, where as you can still see the foundation of the story and the way it is structured of it being between Tenchi and Ryoko with these two having both the most frequent and meaningful moments together.

    Deathsight
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    You know I have been thinking a lot about this today. The only way to fix this whole OVA 3 problem is to recall the whole thing. Just have them recall the whole thing and rewrite the whole thing, they could say ‘we made a mistake’ and they just remove the whole thing. There were just too many mistakes, too many things gone wrong and too much weird stuff that happened that just made the whole thing terrible. It wouldn’t be unprecedented to recall the OVA, anime companies have done this before where they release a season for a series or an OVA and recall it back because it was just terrible and because of viewer and fan response.

    They could just do the same thing, that would be the easiest thing to do and best way to fix the whole thing. They should use the things we have said on what they got wrong in OVA 3 and how to fix and make a good OVA 4, and just rewrite the whole thing in order to make a new better version of OVA 3. They should definitely use what fans have said that they want to see in future OVA’s and use what fans said that they got wrong, was missing, should get rid of or want changed, like most of the stuff listed in this thread, to make an even better one. They could call it Tenchi Muyo OVA 3 version 2.0.

    That would be the absolute best way to fix it.

    Deathsight
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    I have to disagree with you mitsuki lover, no most fans want English dub so doing it only in sub wouldn’t do. That’s why they say they want back Petrea Burchard. With Tenchi choosing a girl I am not missing the point of the franchise. As I and wwwwhhhhoooo stated before the story was originally structured to be just about him and Ryoko, which you can still see in the OVA’s with the major developments in terms of relationship between them. I am not saying there isn’t any for the others but most of it or at least the most significant ones happen between him and Ryoko. People have to remember that Tenchi Muyo was not created by just one person but by a team, namely three people, which is why they are all still referred to as co-creators.

    If he doesn’t end up choosing a girl then the whole thing was pointless with all the arguing and fighting over him was all for nothing if there is no definite outcome in the end as to which one he chooses. It would be what was the point of the whole thing if in the end he just ends up with everyone. No there has to be a definite winner.

    It is like wwwwhhhhoooo stated above the natural progression of things would lead to him choosing one of the girls. Also where wwwwhhhhoooo said

    wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:

    what made Tenchi alluring to most people is quite simple: who’s he gonna’ choose? Who’s going to “win” Tenchi? If you look at other works of the original director (Hayashi), like El Hazard, it’s not hard to see that this was in fact his (and likely writer Naoko Hasegawa’s) vision. It’s simple but brilliant: people cheer for their ‘team’ the fans are in their little camps, and you’ve got an invested viewership, suspense, and rom-com gold without having to try that hard. You can have a vibrant cast of characters, even fun flirty moments, ecchi fan service, and real relationships all with an uneven boy-to-girl ratio: it doesn’t automatically make it a harem. It’s called life, interacting with other human(oid)s; doesn’t mean ‘oh gee, girl talked to me? I got some!’

    As Tenchi matures from being a teenager to an adult, he would have to “man up” so to speak and either take the relationship to the next level, or it halts altogether; all the while making your intentions known. If Tenchi in ANY of its incarnations continued, the natural progression would be something akin to Keiichi and Belldandy in Ah My Goddess! There’s other girls around, but it doesn’t mean Keiichi’s going to have children with them for goodness sake.

    Ryoko is who Tenchi ‘ought to’ end up with imho, because that’s how it was structured initially, it’s how it was built up, and it’s how it was interpreted by the likes of director Hiroshi Negishi with his canon. But I can see why one could make a case for Ayeka (it’s fun to make cases for the others, but there’s no real candidates other than Ayeka and Ryoko; not bashing, it’s just how it is, the others don’t show romantic interest beyond a little bit of flirtatiousness). In El Hazard, I love the character Shayla Shayla, and my ‘favorite girl’ is Nanami…but the director made it clear that his heart isn’t set on either of them: Makoto’s heart is set on Ifurita.

    It is also like I said before there are many harem animes built up in the exact same way with almost identical situations in which Tenchi is in now, but they end with the guy actually choosing one girl. So there is nothing wrong with Tenchi actually choosing a girl, since that is what most fans want to see, and most want to see him choose Ryoko. If he chooses her it would not be the end, it would be a way for fans to see how the rest progressively come to terms with his decision as their relationship grows, which is something most wanted to see at the end of Tenchi Universe. It would open new possibilities and storylines on how Ryoko’s and Tenchi’s relationship grow, while still living just as a family with the rest. This would actually be a more interesting concept and plot line. Some fans have even suggested on how during their future adventures in new OVA’s they travel through space and the others meet up other people who become allies to Tenchi and who become love interests to the other girls, ending with all of them living together in maybe a huge imperial villa. That would be way more interesting to see how the different families interact with the girls arguing and dragging their poor husbands into it, and going off on adventures together.

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    I would have to disagree with you that the whole harem ending is the way it was set up. The creators themselves admitted that the story itself was designed to be about Ryoko and Tenchi, and you still see that original design in the first two OVA’s because that was the way it was structured to be. I would also have to disagree that things have been developing that way since episode 1 of OVA 1.

    The whole franchise has not been developing that way since episode 1 of OVA 1 for the same reason as stated above. Yes there are other girls that are after him and it being a harem anime, but there are many harem animes with almost identical situations in which they are set a lot like how they have been set up in Tenchi Muyo, but the guy eventually picks one girl and the rest come to accept it. Those animes are just as successful and the same can happen for Tenchi Muyo.

    Deathsight
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    Thanks for the link Ukinojo92. Man that was really Petrea Burchard the voice of Ryoko! Man I can’t believe it! Is that really her posting messages in the comments below the video man I can’t believe it! Is it true though that funimation didn’t use her to voice Ryoko in the third OVA was because she missed her plane to the recording session. But man hearing that comment made by the co-creator though about there are no strong female characters like that in real life, no wonder they are so messed up in OVA 3. That is why always said Tenchi Muyo wasn’t made by just one person it was an entire team that made it. They need to get that team back together. Plus after reading the comments below the video basically everybody was against a harem ending and everybody was for Tenchi picking only Ryoko.
    Deathsight
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    Thanks for the great response wwwwhhhhoooo. Actually in a way you did participate in how to fix OVA 3 part of this post. The things that you listed can be used to help remedy the mistakes of OVA 3 by using them in OVA 4. I completely agree with most of what you said.

    Yeah the art style was terrible in the third OVA. They should use the art style that was used in Tenchi Universe, as most fans agree that, that art style was the peak for the Tenchi series. All of the characters looked their best in that art style and it had much more detail all around just looked better. They just need to replicate that and make the characters look exactly like that.

    They definitely need to get rid of Noike. I have seen fans come up with ways to get rid of her that were way better than what was used in the third OVA.

    On your third point this is why I have said and will continue to say Tenchi Muyo was not made by just one person. Unlike other animes where just one person basically puts together the whole thing and has control over every part of it, Tenchi Muyo was unique in that it was a whole team that put it together in way that no other anime had been. That is why they need to get back the original team in order to make a successful fourth OVA.

    I wouldn’t mind him changing what he has shown, but on only one occasion. They should remove GXP and War on Geminar from the continuity. This would allow them to remove unnecessary characters who they try and make fit into the plot line but quite simply don’t. These stories also limit the potential for new plot lines and adventures to occur by trying to make the plot of the main cast fit into their stories when they don’t. Removing them would allow for multitudes of new stories and adventures within Tenchi Muyo. It would not be a problem to remove these two stories as they are just spin offs and especially since they don’t really have anything to do with Tenchi. Like you said he has done it before and this would be the only time it is beneficial.

    To bring back the adventure and fix the whole god problem, they could say that he is not really a god, he just has godlike powers and has very small control over them. Or they could do what they did with Thor in the Marvel Comics, where he is a god in mythology, but he really isn’t a god and just has amazing powers, but he can still be hurt or killed. They could do that with Tenchi.

    For the romance that is why they need to get back the original team, let somebody else handle it. I just watched a video where he made a statement saying ‘there are no strong female characters like that in real life’, which explains why they are so horrible in the third OVA. They need someone else to handle it and make them strong female characters again like they are in the other series.

    On your fourth point actually a lot of fans do want this, but not longer episodes. They can still be 30 minutes long but what they want is more number of episodes, like 20 episodes more like a series. Like how it was in Tenchi Universe, but with more action and adventure and without boring menial tasks. That way you get more quantity and quality for your money.

    They definitely need to get back Petrea Burchard as the voice actress for Ryoko no matter what. Is it true that funimation didn’t use her because she missed her plane to the recording session, because if it that is lame. They need to get her back no matter what that is a must.

    On your last point they may not actually go with a harem ending. I don’t remember the name of the company that owns the right to Tenchi Muyo and produces all the stuff, but they are in a financial problem right now and serious losses due to financial disasters such as GXP, War on Geminar, OVA 3 and even Ai Tenchi. Right now they are desperate for a hit. Which is why they are no longer keen to listen to the ideas of the co-creator as they are responsible for the disasters of the first three, and especially since those ideas are not popular with the fans. They are more keen to listen to the ideas of the other members of the original team, which is why it is likely that they will get the original team back together to work on the future OVA’s giving them more influence than they had before or total control. They are also more keen to listen to the fans now more than ever on what they want. That is why they are likely to give a Ryoko and Tenchi pairing as that is what most fans say that they want , and especially since it was structured that way for so it will make it easier to make new plot and story lines for future OVA’s. Fans have more power now than they ever had before. Which is why forums such as this are important, but it is for us as fans to post what we want from OVA 4 and future OVA’s because they are very keenly listening to us.

    P.S What did you think of that idea for character development for Ryoko by removing Zero, but doing it in a way that still allows her to express her emotions and what did you think of my idea on how to do it and allow her to get closer to Tenchi. Do you think they should use it because it sound like a good plot line to me.

    Deathsight
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    So wwwwhhhhoooo and WisperG what do you think what are your thoughts.
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