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Ukinojo92 wrote:
Also I believe she made a small teleport guardian to keep Ryoko out of Tenchi’s room in Night before the Carvinal OVA. Unless she had that in her luggage already when her ship crashed.
The device to which you refer would be this little alarm gadget.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/device_zps993fc6f8.png " /> As a point of fact, in OVA series 1 episode 3, Ryoko is rummaging through Ayeka’s belongings for the sword.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ryoko1_zps8b5a3dd8.png " /> Apparently, she did get some of her luggage off the ship before it sank into the lake, so it is likely the alarm might have already existed in her belongings. Likewise, there are some Juraian-styled devices in the carrot garden in series 1 episode 5.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/garden_zpse7ad263d.png " /> Their purpose is not elaborated in the episode, but I would expect Ayeka had some of these from Ryu-Oh’s gardens.
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Ukinojo92 wrote:I theorize that Ayeka created or access a space where she can call on her M-g’s with her tiara, as for Azaka and Kamidake it could be possible they were summoned the same way but need more evidence.”
In the OVA, that would work up until Ryu-Oh is destroyed in series 1 episode 5.
How is their appearance in Ai explained then. She had no ship or Tree, and she was in another Universe.
Ayeka’s mini-guardians are not explained at all inAi Tenchi. Again, Ai Tenchidoes not delve heavily into backstory for the main cast. While Ayeka is confirmed to be the crown princess of Jurai in the biographical material on the official Ai Tenchi sitetranslationUniverse. Ukinojo92 wrote:I think Azaka and Kamidake warriors are unique cases to this discussion. They do not have Trees themselves, but they have power, not only that but have a high aptitude for on use and strength of that power they have.
If one looks closely at Azaka and Kamidake’s resting place, besides being an awesome design for a Juraian crypt, there are two immense trees on either side of the central tree Katsuhito uses to resurrect the two knights.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/graveyard_zpsec2c53ad.png " /> Could these two be the trees paired with the knights? Considering their age from their height and gnarled features, they may well have stood for centuries, perhaps millennia, watching over the knights as they slept.
gendo1 However, this is just a speculation on my part.blush1 Ukinojo92 wrote:Being legendary warriors they are the best and strongest out of every normal Jurai soldier or warrior, but also having the experience, knowledge, and endurance to use their mastered powers at high levels in any situation. Although this is speculation as we do not see them use their powers in any other situation then battle.
I would agree that both knights far exceed the usual skill and power of a normal Juraian soldier. Seeing the full extent of their powers would be interesting to see in the right circumstances.mitsuki lover wrote:I would question the meaning of Yosho’s words:”Each of us in Jurai has our own tree.” as whether or not he meant it has being
everyoneor just the nobles and royalsof Jurai. I mean everyonedoesn’t have to mean the entire population of Jurai.Certainly that would mean the planet would be one humunguous forest if that were the case.So I’m thinking he meant it in the
limited sense and not in the all inclusive sense.
Admittedly, Jurai
isa gigantic forest. qt1 Just about every scenery shot or background shot of Jurai in every continuity shows it as a huge arboretum, such as this image fromUniverseepisode 24. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/jurai_zps2f73c527.png " /> As such, your argument about every Juraian not having a tree because of the terrain of the planet is invalid.
mitsuki lover wrote:Also if he did mean
everyone,then where would the people who were tasked with guarding the trees come from such as the clan that protected the Un-Named Tree in that one manga story?
Since Okuda’s manga tangents from the OVA storyline, it has no bearing on the storyline of Universe, except for the manga adaptation ofTMiL1in NNFTvolume 7. Truthfully, as
Universedoes not address the bond between Juraian and tree until the films, and even then only in passing, there is no evidence for or against the theory that every Juraian in the Universehas his or her own tree. That being said, my personal theory is that it is only the nobility in Universeare symbiotically linked to such powerful partners, like in the OVA. My reasoning is that Universeis essentially a reenvisioning of the OVA, not for any reason given in the series itself. From what is stated in the series itself, someone can be of the opinion that every Juraian, noble or otherwise, has a tree and not contradict the anime. Ukinojo92 wrote:For the guardians and or Jurai protection bots, will have to be left for another topic because they might have own internal power source and technology that needs to be discussed in a different manner. Azaka and Kamidake Guardians bots are separated from Ryo-Oh and still active and independent in the OVA’s, Universe, Tokyo, and Ai.
I would agree that the guardians would have their own power supply, independent of Ryu-Oh or Ayeka. While their inner workings are not detailed in any continuity to my knowledge, Universe does shed a little light on them. Ayeka states in episode 22 that the guardians were evidently programmed with the personalities of the two knights. This implies they were manufactured.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ayeka1_zpsc27f3d86.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ayeka2_zpsf718cb05.png " /> Moreover, she later explains that they expelled all their energy in the resurrection of the two knights, meaning that whatever power system they have, it is finite and can be completely emptied.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ayeka3_zps27e92cc1.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ayeka4_zpsf3fba238.png " /> This is emphasized when Ayeka mourns their passing. Considering their presence in her childhood flashbacks, they were likely in her life for a substantial amount of time and meant a great deal to her. Thankfully, they were resuscitated in episode 26 by Washu, Kiyone, and Mihoshi. Hence, their power system can also be refilled and reactivated without lasting damage.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/guardians1_zps9acc62b0.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/guardians2_zps446c9a7f.png " /> However, what Washu did to achieve this is not detailed in the series epilogue.
Ukinojo92 wrote:In Tokyo there were some Guardians, underground in Yugi’s prison still active and independent of any Juraian or Tree on earth.
The old guardians fromTokyoepisode 9 are an interesting note unto themselves. They rested underground for 3500 years before Amagasaki woke them up, still viable after all that time. They also show that not only do other guardians exist other than Azaka and Kamidake, but that their designs have changed over time. Notably, Ayeka recognizes that they are very old models. Ukinojo92 wrote:Also Ayeka has used her Mini-guardians several times in each series without her ship, I believe they also carry a internal source just commanded by her tiara finely.
Ayeka’s mini-guardians are never really explained. Consider she can manifest them seemingly whenever she needs them, I had always assumed they were a creation of her own. If someone has more data on them, let me know.Ukinojo92 wrote:In the discussion I have come up with a theory that Juraians have power, just have a limit to how much they can do, but in a dire emergency however they can summon all of their power and sometimes more quickly. When they summon the power without a backup to Tree or a Key to hone it, they risk the danger of harming themselves. In Achika is an example of that, in Tenchi’s, Momo’s, Ayeka’s, and Yosho’s case however it is unclear, they might use their powers to the point it exhausts them.
I could agree with this assessment, that Juraians have a wellspring of power, but diving too deeply is dangerous. If Jurai’s power is actually tied to their lifeforce, that might explain why overuse can be deadly. Even then, it is possible that utilizing a supernatural power like this one puts a strain on the body, or even the mind, which can be detrimental in large doses. This would be an interesting topic if one were to discuss Jurai’s medicinal sciences.Tenchismile Ukinojo92 wrote:I view the keys and Trees as peripherals, the Trees with the large amount of power and abilities, and the keys to access and regulate the power as well as any other function they may serve.
I could get behind this theory, particularly since it agrees with the use of the keys in the OVA andAi Tenchi. mitsuki lover wrote:I wonder if the presence of Sasami and the fact that she and Tsunami are merged should be taken into account as another explanation as to why Aeka and Tenchi are able to access their powers
in certain cases.Just a theory.
I don’t see how Sasami’s connection to Tsunami has any relevance to the events aboard theSoja. Sasami was on board the ship Tsunami, and both Kagato and Washu explicitly state that all power from the Tsunamihad been cut off. Please see the discussion in the earlier postTo continue resuscitating this thread, I would like to relate some information on the trees I scrounged up while working on the Powers ThreadTenchismile UniverseWhile not heavily emphasized in the TV series, the films do link Jurai’s power to the trees. In
TMiL2, Katsuhito mentioned explicitly that every Juraian has their own tree, referencing specifically Haruna’s camellia. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/camellia1_zps8904887d.png " /> Likewise, Washu uses those camellia trees with the Science Academy’s dimension-locking equipment to break into Haruna’s world. Moreover, she used trees at the Fudo temples in
TMiL1to mimic Jurai’s power to capture Kain in subspace. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu-image_zpsb7ced077.png " /> Considering all the imagery for Jurai in
Universeis arboral, the connection between Jurai’s mystical energies and their trees is probably more than coincidence. In particular, the guardians suggest to Sasami to use Ryu-Oh’s sap in episode 9 to cure Tenchi’s illness. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/sasami-ryu-oh_zps52403637.png " /> At the end of said episode, the guardians wonder whether or not Ryu-Oh’s sap should work on Terrans, not yet realizing that Tenchi had Juraian lineage. Moreover, Sasami accesses the trees on Jurai itself in
TMiL2to help break into Haruna’s realm. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/sasami-jurai_zps23295d5c.png " /> One could easily speculate that there is a symbiosis between the Juraian nobility and the trees, though the details are never made explicit in the series or films.
What are your thoughts?
Tenchismile Ai TenchiThe Juraian tree-ship
Toshikawas at the heart of much of the goings-on for the series. Her and the pink-hilted sword were the “treasure” being hunted by the Science Club the entire time. Much like Haruna’s camellia, Momo’s peach tree seemed to have the ability to warp spacetime, particularly noted by sending Tenchi and Momo tumbling through time in episode 55.
However, it is a point of fact that Beni could use the tree without a key. According to Washu in episode 58, Beni needed “authorization” to do so, and being Momo’s guardian, she seemed to have it.
Also, as demonstrated in episode 60, Toshika was returned to her ship form after being interred for 1300 years, something neither Ryu-Oh nor Funaho has done.
Now, was this the tree’s ability to transform, or time being rewritten to before she crashed?
gendo1 With the Joint MeetingsDualagain quite yet. Until then, I would like to relate some information on the keys I scrounged up while working on the Powers ThreadTenchismile UniverseThe only real stated explanation given is by Katsuhito after his defeat in episode 23, and the opening of episode 24. He states that the sword changes Jurai’s power into a blade.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/tenchiken_zps8b496d29.png " /> Notably, the other keys used in
Universeact much the same way. Interestingly, Kagato mentions that Ayeka “finally evoked Jurai’s power” in episode 25 when she stopped him from killing Tenchi. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato3_zpscff4d2df.png " /> Notice that in that scene where she attacks him, her tiara is brilliantly shining.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ayeka1_zpse87dfeb6.png " /> From his comment, one does wonder if all her barriers and mini-guardians before were not her manifesting Jurai’s power, or perhaps just a low-level utilization of it. However, she is undeniably channelling Jurai’s might with purpose, likely using her tiara in doing so.
What are your thoughts?
Tenchismile Ai TenchiSince Ai Tenchi is now concluded, we can inventory what has been shown, particularly in the last week of episodes. Tenchi gets to wield his sword rather masterfully against Goriki-kun in episode 13, demonstrating he has certainly matured since becoming aware of his abilities.
Tenchi also started to teach Momo how to use her key as well, leading her in a ceremony from episode 55. Presumably, since they are over Toshika’s resting place, they were trying to contact the tree.
Lastly, he tried valiantly to stay with Momo as he was blipping through Momo’s timeline in episodes 56-59.
On the other hand, as mentioned before, Momo used her key primarily to command Toshika. Child Momo seemed to have some knowledge of the key, as illustrated in episode 33 when she was planning to send a distress signal.
However, after being disseminated through time and space, she did not seem to have knowledge of her origin, let alone the key or the tree. Hence, Tenchi had to show teach her and guide her. Nevertheless, after Washu hacked the d.o. bullet and Beni activated Toshika, Momo was able to use the key to control her blipping through her timeline to meet with Tenchi in episode 59.
What are your thoughts?
Tenchismile The “powers of Jurai” is a nebulous term depending on which continuity you consider. Here, I will focus primarily on the OVA, Universe, and Ai Tenchistorylines. If someone would like to speak to Jurai’s abilities in Tokyo, I would welcome what you have to contribute. Tenchismile Also,Pretty Sammycould be considered, but such discussion might be best relegated to another subforumblush1 OVAIn the OVA, the powers of a Juraian noble have often been said to be directly tied to a partnered tree. In particular, Kagato states in series 1 episode 6 that the master key is merely a tool to tap energy from the ship.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato-tenchi1_zpsc3e0a7cb.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato-tenchi2_zps3cb7067a.png " /> Keep in mind that the
Sojacut off power from Tsunamiand seemingly all other external sources. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato-tenchi3_zps93685e3c.png " /> This is a very important point that is referenced again in series 2 episode 4 when Washu is discussing the Light Hawk Wings with Tenchi.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu_zpsd08456f0.png " /> With all external power sources cut off, the Light Hawk Wings manifested in Tenchi’s battle with Kagato could only have come from Tenchi himself, not Tsunami, Ryu-Oh, Funaho, or any other source.
Yet, there is a problem. After Kagato says Tenchiken is useless, Tenchi forms a blade with it and comes straight at him. If all the power from Tsunami and the other trees has been cut off, and the sword is useless without its tree, how is Tenchi manifesting a blade? Moreover, how is Ayeka able to use all her abilities, such as flight and energy blasts, on
Sojaas well? One would believe that Ayeka’s tiara, Ryu-Oh’s key, should follow the same governing principles as Tenchiken. Shouldn’t her powers fail aboard Sojawhen separated from Ryu-Oh, which presumably was just destroyed? There are a couple options here. In one case, Kagato is mistaken, and all external power sources were not completely cut off. However, this would contradict Washu’s statement in series 2. Thus, the other case is more likely true, that all external power sources were cut off.
Then, that would imply that Tenchi and Ayeka’s abilities, Tenchiken in particular, must have been fuelled by something on
Soja. One could say that the two gems in Tenchiken could power it. This has some footing since series 2 episode 6 goes at length to state the the gems have kept Katsuhito young, the tree Funaho alive, and could create the Light Hawk Wings on their own. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/yosho1_zpsad21c569.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/yosho2_zps22d3431e.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/funaho1_zps1768eeb3.png " /> Unfortunately, this does not explain Ayeka, who was battling on
Sojabefore Tenchi brought the sword with the gems. One might argue that Ayeka somehow bootstrapped her power from the gem(s) Ryoko had on her, or even the Soja‘s power source. However, that gets increasingly more difficult to justify with the anime giving no justification for such. Another recourse would be to say that Tenchi and Ayeka’s battle costumes had some sort of internal power supply, independent of the trees or keys, that provide them with their combative abilities. However, this becomes troublesome when Tenchi and Ayeka both basically fought in the nude in series 1 episode 4.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/ayeka2_zps02d47dce.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/tenchi1_zps3c11312d.png " /> At this point, Ryu-Oh is at the bottom of the lake, and both trees Funaho and Ryu-Oh are miles away. If either Tenchi or Ayeka is tapping a tree for power, they have a significant range for doing so. I, for one, am dubious of that case.
Frankly, I would theorize that Tenchi and Ayeka both have some native “Jurai power”, not unlike in
Universe, something that is intrinsic to them and cannot be taken away by the Soja‘s shielding or removal of items. What thoughts do you have on the subject?
UniverseIn
Universe, the power of Jurai is elaborated upon several times in the TV series. The first time it is addressed directly is episode 15, where both Ayeka and the Juraian agent explain the gist of what the power is: an immense mystical power used only by Jurai’s nobility. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/agent1_zps71e318c7.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/agent2_zps0453fe54.png " /> Moreover, he states that the power can surpass the power of a god, something Kagato reiterates in episode 23.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/agent3_zpsa26fbb4a.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato-throne_zpsff7ac5d0.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/duel1_zpsd44ba83e.png " /> Ayeka also states in the “Legend of the Two Knights” that said knights were so powerful as to shatter stars themselves.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/staircase1_zpsfd22177d.png " /> As one might imagine, the power is hereditary, as explicitly stated in
TMiL1. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/inheritance1_zps6adb92e5.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/inheritance2_zpsc56d2091.png " /> Hence, the power and its manifestations seem to be individualized from person to person. With training and practice, several characters have expressed the ability to improve their mastery in its use. Ayeka first mentions the idea in the opening of episode 16.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/mastery_zps974c33b5.png " /> However, Kagato and his dark knights reiterate this fact in episodes 23 and 25.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato1_zps9abac9c0.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/tessei1_zps69ea7455.png " /> At the same time, Jurai’s power can also be enhanced and tainted to become more dangerous and deadly. Kagato goes at length on the subject in episode 23, how he suffered in the “darkness of the universe” to achieve his seemingly eternal youth and power. I also find it likely that Tetta and Tessei might have also tasted such a dark amplification as well.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kagato2_zps24bf2b61.png " /> Also, overuse or misuse of Juraian energy can apparently be deadly as well. In
TMiL1, Washu states that the Jurai emperor who imprisoned Kain died from expelling the energy to achieve that feat. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu-emperor1_zps39e33974.png " /> 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/washu-emperor2_zpsd393d274.png " /> Likewise, Tenchi muses about this perhaps being why his mother died young in the epilogue to the film.
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/lifespan_zpsef0a680a.png " /> Similarly, there was great concern about Tenchi’s health in
TMiL2, where Haruna seems to be draining his power to maintain her parallel world. Washu states he is becoming weaker, but moreover, he himself seems progressively more sluggish and tired as the film progresses. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/weaker_zpsc4de2195.png " /> The first film
TMiL1also introduces the idea of an antithesis to Jurai’s power in Kain. 
http://i1345.photobucket.com/albums/p661/evilpii/Forum/kain_zps32fab79c.png " /> His origin is left mysterious, other than his rampage and capture 100 years prior to the the present of the film. The operative states that Kain’s goal was to eliminate all of those who hold the opposing power.
While the trees are not heavily emphasized in the TV series, they are referenced in the movies. Please see the
Trees ThreadTenchismile Several keys are shown in
Universe, but I will shunt discussion of the keys to the Keys ThreadTenchismile Ukinojo92 wrote:Any case on Jurai powers in play are all accepted, although to my knowledge have there been uses of Jurai power without keys or Royal Trees in proximity?
woooo1 Ukinojo92 wrote:Also in Tenchi Muyo in Love! Tenchi and Achika fought with the master Key in a dimension trap, cut off from everything else.
To answer your initial question, ourprevious discussionTMiL1. Not unlike Tenchi in OVA series 1 episode 6, Achika was isolated in a subspace dimension with Kain. She had no tree, no key, and no outside power source. Everything she did before Tenchi arrived was purely her power. Ai TenchiIn
Ai Tenchi, there is less total lore given about Jurai, but as a celebration of the franchise, much of said lore is assumed from the previous series combined. Momo generates personal barriers at different points in the series, much like Ayeka, first shown in episode 8.
Arguably, either she or Tenchi created this barrier in episode 34.
Momo also knocked Beni back in episode 54 when the pink-haired one started to vanish.
Ukinojo92 wrote:In the recent Tenchi Muyo Ai, Momo possibly used her powers in ep 34 without key or Royal Tree to back her up.
To your question, one does wonder if this ability was intrinsic to her or a product of either Toshika or her sword. I would argue that it would not be her sword as episode 54 shows her create the barrier before Tenchi returns her key. Since Toshika was under the ground the entire time, it is a bit harder to rule the tree out completely.An honorable mention goes to Ayeka, who also demonstrated a new ability to use her mini-guardians as turrets in episode 41.
fyeah1 For the tree Toshika’s appearance, please see the
Trees ThreadTenchismile For Momo and Tenchi’s use of their swords, please see the
Keys ThreadTenchismile
