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    The-Kaiser wrote:

    Anyone else notice the GXP computer displays are running Star Trek TNG-Voy era style of display known as the LCARS ?

    Actually, yes, we have. kiyonesmile1

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    The FEELs are getting turned up today. dawohki1 This seems to illustrate very concretely Momo’s comment in episode 36 that she was “always alone”. One wonders if Tenchi’s comments about her making friends influenced her to meet Hachiko, Hana, and Tori, perhaps even to become class president. woooo1

    Also, I’m still on the fence as to what is happening with Tenchi and Momo. Is Tenchi visiting different incarnations of Momo across different universes, or is he hopping across her lifespan? If the latter, one would think she would have some memory of seeing him or some recognition. Notably, last episode, she did ask him if they had met before when she stumbled into his arms. I believe there are some similarities with that fall and the one Washu instigated in episode 17. I believe Washu will be sorting this out shortly with whatever she’s about to do. blush1

    wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:

    Tenchi’s role in this, possibly using Tenchi-ken in some fashion as he travels, along with Momo’s tree being revealed (a source of distortion, or perhaps some kind of “anchor” for Momo herself to keep her psyche from being completely lost?), remind me of Yosho confronting Haruna (Haruna’s psyche/spirit) via her tree using the sword.

    I’m not wholly convinced that Tenchi is controlling this. Given the peach petals every time he “leaps”, I think Toshika is controlling this. Moreover, Tenchi and Momo were enveloped by Toshika’s light and petals when they vanished in the first place. I bet you are right that Toshika is acting as the anchor, much like Haruna’s camellia. gendo1 I bet Tenchi is trying to “put right what once went wrong”, fighting his leaps, trying to get to Momo.

    wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:

    When Tenchi asked “what am I supposed to do?” is part of that frustration stemming from the fact that this Jurain ability or technique is something he has yet to learn or encounter? (Yosho being able to enter into Haruna’s world may be due in part to his access to a greater trove of experience using his powers, being much older than Tenchi.)


    I wouldn’t doubt this at all, particularly if this incarnation of Tenchi did not live through the events with Haruna.

    Nice that Ryoko also noticed Beni using “Momo-sama” suddenly. tuxedodouche It appears that Last Crusade reference from episode 42 made a lasting impression, as well as all those memory flashes. mmhmm1

    Of course, the GP have to eat some crow. Kiyofacepalm1 I find this quite ironic since the commander was so arrogant toward the Japanese ambassador in episode 51, that Terran scholars couldn’t understand what was happening, until he too is put into the same position. In Washu we trust. butts1

    wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:

    And where is Ukan during these events? Watch out, she may yet make a startling appearance; more so, she just may yet turn villainous! (I don’t quite trust her; if her drive to diffuse the situation and catch Washu lead her to stand up to Jurain royalty, then I doubt she would be hunky-dory with simply letting Washu free and leaving Momo, Beni, Tenchi and the space pirate Ryoko to do as they please on top of that.)


    Ukan is the wild card at the moment. We don’t know what went down with her and the princesses. Moreover, given that she is GP as well as wielding an energy whip, might she be a reference to “evil Kiyone” from the Mihoshi Special ending? Wouldn’t it be a twist if she swooped in at the end and scooped up Toshika’s power for herself at the last instant, stranding Tenchi and Momo? After all, I don’t think Negishi has spent this entire series building her up for no reason. gendo1

    evilpii
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    With a particular tree showing up in today’s episode of Ai Tenchi, I thought it was time to resurrect and resuscitate this old thread. Tenchismile In particular, I was watching a documentary on National Geographic about the baobab tree. Some of these trees have aged over 1000 years, and moreover, they can naturally hollow themselves. wth2 One baobab has even been converted into a bar. WANT1

    Now, one compares the baobab and its uses as a real world habitat,

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    to the Juraian trees, fictionally used as living quarters and spaceships.

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    JGZinv wrote:

    The bonding plate isn’t covered other than a few seconds in the first episode when Kazuki’s father finds it at the construction site.

    Wasn’t the plate brought up about midway through the series too? I seem to remember it being shown twice.

    I will freely admit that my recollection of Dual is lackluster, but I have an issue here. Where in Dual does it state the Kazuki bonded via the plate, particularly if it is never mentioned again in the series? My understanding that Kazuki’s father found the plate and had a choice: keep it or toss it. In one universe, he tossed it, and the ancient technology was forgotten. In the other, he kept it, and the ancient technology was studied, yielding the core robots among other finds. How exactly does the plate connect to Zinv, and where is this fact stated?

    Once I return from vacation, I will see to rewatching Dual to search for these answers myself. Any references you can give would be a great help.

    JGZinv wrote:

    I dug through a lot of the stuff I have, the two guides and even whipped out the translator… didn’t find much to back up the bonding plate. It’s called “the bronze plate” on the line art on DVD 1. I still think I saw somewhere that explained what it was for though. If not, I have to chalk it up to old memories, maybe it was covered in one of the fanfics. I know I’ve been calling it that since around 05 at least.


    Taking the assumption that the plate and Zinv are connected through more than mere origin, I can see your point that the plate could be regarded as a key. However, that still leaves problems. The plate has, by your own admission, had very little screentime and, as such, not demonstrated abilities attributed to the keys. Thus, without the properties generally associated with a key, can it be called a “key” as per our understanding of a “key”?

    Moreover, Seina was able to activate, bond with, and control the Zinv-like idol in GXP episode 24 without such a device. This renders the plate’s relevance rather moot. Indeed, Seina’s bonding to the tree seed also seems to render the key’s relevance moot as well. To say I have a problem with episodes 24 and 25 of GXP is an understatement. wtfisthis1

    Perhaps we should make a hard definition of what a “key” is, even if it has to be different for each continuity.

    JGZinv wrote:

    As far as Asuza’s eye…

    That’s evidently an error on the wiki. There’s another citation of the story differently on the FAQ that’s repeated.

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    As such, Azusa was allowed to proceed to the floor where the 1st-generation trees resided. Only Mitsuki followed him here. She told him everything, then told him to take her as yet unnamed tree. He protested saying he it was hers and that he couldn’t hear the tree’s voice. She told him he was hearing the trees voice even now and revealed that her right eye was in fact made from the sap of the tree and thus the key to the tree.


    So that’d be Mitsuki’s eye…


    Considering the wiki and FAQ have been known to have erroneous information, I would rather go back to the source. What does the novel Jurai actually say? Do we have a full, legitimate translation of the passage you are referencing?

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    Tenchi still has a journey ahead of him. woooo1 Seeing him interact with different version of Momo, as well as phasing out himself, one wonders if he is time-hopping or dimension-hopping. The first Momo, the one that looked like Lain, seemed younger than the Momo we see at Junai. Then, we see her at the end as a child again, but in the modern era. However, Washu said back in Episode 3 that there were multiple dimensions with one common factor, presumably Momo. Perhaps this is a combination of both, hopping sideways and backward along Momo’s thread of existence. butts1 Visually, these scenes are very contrasting, sepia against the vivid color of Tenchi and his clothes. Notably, Momo’s umbrella was colored as well. What meaning is there here? Keep in mind, this has been done before in TMiL2. When Haruna’s world threatened to collapse, the illusions faded to sepia before vanishing. Could this be happening again? sadface1

    Nil Admirari wrote:

    Tenchi’s awoken in a familiar station, but one that’s different than he remembers. Not only is the world black and white with only a few shades of color, but the station’s name is a play on the station’s real name. As TITAN pointed out, the characters in the name signify something different than the station’s real name, and the portion of the sign that shows where the train station leads to has been erased. A dark reminder to Tenchi that this is his final chance to save Momo, as there’s nothing further to await her if he doesn’t.

    Nice catch on the real world reference, Hakubi line in Okayama, as well as the meaning in the name. Tenchismile Perhaps the creators are pointing at Washu to blame. blush1

    Notably, Beni addressed Momo as “Momo-sama” for the first time since her last feudal era dialogue scene, Episode 33. Might her old self be arising a bit? qt1 Also, who’s ready for that Ryoko/Beni team-up? ^.^v

    One does wonder how long Washu will be playing this bluff game between herself and the GP commander. There is a planet, if not a universe, at stake. wth2

    As for the ending of the episode, I had a thought on what it might be. What if that building in the background was Tenchi’s school from OVA series 1 episode 1? What if the series took everything back to the very beginning of everything, literally, for the Tenchi franchise? Talk about a retcon button! gendo1 Now, I find this scenario unlikely, but not impossible. Tune in tomorrow! kiyonesmile1

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    WisperG wrote:

    evilpii wrote:

    Notice that this series is set about five years after the Masaki household as we know it was established.

    I’m curious. How did you come to this conclusion?


    In Ai Tenchi episode 1, Tenchi’s identification card states that he is aged 22 years.

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    Traditionally in every continuity to date, Tenchi first encounters the girls when he is 16-17 years old, which would place this series at 5 years after an initial encounter. Moreover, he has been acting more mature than the “country boy” persona he usually has in other series, especially now as he is guiding Momo. He seems to have more experience, particularly with Juraian abilities as illustrated this week.

    Admittedly, Washu did forge his records, so it is possible that he is still the 17-year-old country boy. However, his characterization and skills for Ai Tenchi seem to contradict such an assumption.

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    SnowQueen wrote:

    Very interesting thread pii. ^^ and reading all this made me think which “key” was created first?

    I don’t think any one of the series states which key was created first, though one can speculate that in the creation of OVA series 1, Tenchiken and Ayeka’s tiara were likely designed by the artists first. mmhmm1

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    JGZinv wrote:

    Kirito I believe had a ring that was her key.

    Digging through GXP, I found Kiriko’s ring highlighted in episode 21.

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    JGZinv wrote:

    Azusa had a fake eye and an energy sword for keys.

    Do you have a reference for that? I recall Azusa having a beam sword in the manga, but I don’t recall him having a fake eye, let alone one that was a key.

    JGZinv wrote:

    There’s also heavy implication that the “bonding plate” from Dual was similar in practice to a key.

    It seems, thinking back to GXP and the idol, that tree’s which remain as seeds, do not yet have bark

    from which to grow a key, so the owners are keyless.


    I just rewatched the conversation about the idol in GXP episode 25, and it did say Seina bonded with the seed. However, it did not state that a key was grown from the bark of the tree.

    As to Dual, I forget the use of the bonding plate since I haven’t seen the series in some time. Do you have a reference to when Sanada explained this, as he so often did?

    evilpii
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    So, I was skimming through Tenchi materials today for the Keys of Jurai thread I just started, and I noticed something. I had been curious about the orbs that appeared in Tenchi and Momo’s blades yesterday.

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    Notice that the orb is in the same place as it would be in the Light Hawk Sword! wth2

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    While some have made fan speculations at a connection between Tenchiken and the Light Hawk Sword, could this be an official connection? WANT1

    evilpii
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    Point of fact, notice that the GP headquarters seems to be running the LCARS operating system from the TNG era of the Star Trek franchise. Tenchismile The displays are numerous in the background, but here’s a clear screenshot from Episode 51. kiyonesmile1

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