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Er… maybe Azusa is refering to an earlier wife?

Such as Funaho’s niece, Kasumi. Badmouthing her would set Funaho off. And it looks like it did.

Who is Kasumi, and where is she mentioned in the three OVA series? In particular, if Yosho had been married to Empress Funaho’s niece, would she not have been mentioned in Funaho’s scolding of Azusa in series 2 episode 6? After all, he would then be insulting two members of her family (her sister and herself), not just some random Terran woman. Also, this seems a contradiction when Airi is introduced. This is a point to clarify when the OVA series is considered as a whole.

In episode 6, Washu reveals her goddess aspect from the two gems remaining in Tenchiken. Why hasn’t she manifested this sooner, say when Kagato took her prisoner or when Shunga imploded into a black hole?

I’ve wondered the same thing, and the best I can figure is that either she wasn’t fully aware yet, or that the threat wasn’t as ultimate as that of Z. Or both.

Never play an ace when a two will do.

I could accept that she was not fully aware of herself, though it seems unclear as to when she manifests fully. In this case, when did her power fully manifest?

In the other case where she merely judged the threats not as dire, this causes some problems. If she was fully aware of her power against Kagato or Clay, she could have waved her hand and rectified both situations. More importantly, the episode with Clay aboard Shunga seems far more Washu-centered. Having Tenchi use his Light Hawk Wings to save Ayeka and Mihoshi seems a strange emphasis shift when all three have been pidgeonholed in the bowels of the ship for the entire episode, and all the action has been focused on Washu. Why not have Washu be the savior for her own episode?

Moreover, as a goddess, why would she suffer being sealed in a crystal aboard Soja?

Why are Rea and Noike the only ones allowed to console Tenchi? One would think that Ryoko or Nobuyuki might be better suited for the task, particularly as Ryoko watched over him when his mother died. Also, admittedly, it seems more Nobuyuki’s place as father to explain this to his son.

I’ll reply with my opinion, but only if I get promises from certain people on this board that they won’t follow it up at all.

Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

You can share your opinion if you wish, but not if you do not want to discuss it. The point of a forum is discussion, so asking for a promise “not to follow up” is contrary to that aspect. Please do not misunderstand me. I am not here to ridicule someone else’s opinion, but if I do disagree, I will state it alongside my reasons for doing so. I am more interested in the facts and their logical conclusion than angering a fellow forum member.

Some of the points you raised pii, like whatever happened to Ryu-Oh, seem to me to be due simply to the story going in different directions than it was originally intended, which happens frequently enough in other shows. It’s certainly annoying to be sure, but its often to be expected in long running series, especially when the creative team turned over as radically as it did after OVA 1.

I can accept that since Hayashi and Hasegawa left the project after the first series. This is more reason I am hyped for the novel translation project. Tenchismile

As for what I’ll call the “second tier” of your points, those dealing with actual plot discrepancies, I think can best be explained by Mr. Kajishima himself:

Basically, Kajishima doesn’t sweat the little stuff in favor of getting to the end of the story, which is maddening from a fan’s perspective, and is largely why nailing down one true listing of what is “canon” is such a uniquely troublesome problem in Tenchi fandom.

If he wants to change events or facts, why not just make another continuity? The story could be tightened up and streamlined into Kajishima’s vision in an offshoot, rather than introducing continuity errors into the original series.

Finally, the “third tier” of your points, those dealing with the changes made to the characters’ personalities, such as Kagato being afraid of Seto, and Ryoko and Ayeka rolling over for Airi, Seto, and Noike, is where most of my frustration comes from. The only thing I can think of is that so much time had passed in real life between OVAs that the characters were simply not the same people in the mind of the writers and show runners as they were back in the 90’s. This led to a lot resentment, I think justly so, on the part of fans who had come to know and love every aspect of the characters, and were now seeing them through the eyes of a creator who’s interpretations had drifted quite significantly in the intervening years.

And, this is more reason for a separate continuity. For example, series 1 Ryoko had an image of being fearless and strong, with a warm heart for Tenchi and merciless to those who would threaten him. However, series 2 and 3 paint her differently: full of bluster, but easily intimated by people with a faction of her power. Series 1 Ryoko would not have stood for the events of series 3 episode 2. Likely, she would have drawn her sword and threatened death like she did with Mayuka in Manatsu no Eve. I also cite Ryoko’s confrontation with Azusa in Hexagram of Love, where she faced him bluntly, plainly, with no cowardice. Again, it seems better to parition series 2 and 3 into another continuity, where Kajishima can paint his masterpiece without conflicting with the original.

In “Here Comes Jurai, Part 2”, D3 goes to wipe Clay and Zero’s memories. Why is this, considering that in series 3, Washu is fully realized as a goddess and fully aware of Tokimi’s existence? Would knowledge of Tokimi’s location already be known to her?

I don’t think that’s done because of Washuu – I think it’s more or less to keep Clay from being a pest again by meddling any further into the Choushin’s business. Maybe. >shrug<

I was thinking less of Clay and more of Zero. When Ryoko and Zero merge, Ryoko would then know of Tokimi and her location. How would that knowledge interfere, since Washu could likely explain and perhaps pacify Ryoko’s concerns?

In episode 1, how can Ryo-Ohki get lost? As Washu said, she is the computer unit of a battleship. Also in series 2, Ryo-Ohki is shown able to levitate. Couldn’t she simply float up to see where she is, or go into space and find her home by herself?

I had wondered about that sequence, but I think it’s just that she’s overcome by the situation and doesn’t think really rationally. She’s suddenly alone, and like a little kid she doesn’t stop to calm down and think rationally. (Well, she is a little kid, you know.) A three-year old has the ability and maybe the knowledge to go to the customer service counter when he gets lost in Wall-Mart… but I doubt he’d think of it.

After chatting with some fellows, there are several reasons why this would not work. First, as stated before, she is a computer unit of a battleship. She has seen combat more frightening than an unfamiliar wilderness, so her getting overcome is unlikely. Second, she is mindlinked to both Ryoko and Washu. Ryoko could have sent a telepathic message to Ryo-Ohki showing her the way, rather than going herself. Equally, so could Washu. Third, Ryo-Ohki multitasks heavily, as evidenced by the battle with Chobimaru. She can isolate the child side of herself in that situation while the battleship side of herself is in combat, and is drunk. If Ryo-Ohki let the drunkenness interfere with the battle, she could kill Misao and Mashisu with one of those many precise attacks carving graffiti into the other ship’s hull. Why can she not isolate her childish fears and do what needs to be done to leave the woods?

Moreover, I think there is an underlying question here. Ryo-Ohki indeed has the form of a child, but does she have the mind of a child, or an animal, or a computer unit? She has aspects of all three, but which is actually her, if any?

Furthermore, Ryoko and Washu share a mindlink, where Washu knows about Ryoko’s deep desires for Tenchi without any effort. In fact, Washu compares this link to the one between Ryoko and Ryo-Ohki in series 1 episode 6. Also, Ryoko is seen summoning Ryo-Ohki from a distance of miles in series 1 episode 2. However, in series 2 episode 3, Washu needs some elaborate device to read Ryo-Ohki’s mind. Why, particularly as series 3 episode 1 has Ryoko directly upload the way home into Ryo-Ohki’s head? Even then, why does Ryoko have to be right next to Ryo-Ohki to do that?

In episode 2, Noike is introduced as the adoptive daughter of Seto. Why would Seto adopt a fairly unremarkable GP officer, considering all the scheming that went into her proposed adoption of Mashisu? Even if she was privy to Noike’s contact with Clay, Zed, and Kagato-F(emale), why install her into the Masaki household on Earth? She seems far more of a threat than a boon.

I’d guess it’s because she’s also adopted. She seems to have a thing for adopting people, and she also has a habit of deciding some things on impulse.

Where is Seto’s adoption mentioned in the three OVA series? As for adoptions, she only adopts Noike and offers to adopt Mashisu in series 3. Mashisu at least has reason to be adopted, to marry Misao. What is Noike’s reason?

As far as deciding matters on impulse, that seems a poor trait for someone who is supposedly running Jurai by proxy, as stated by Ayeka in series 3 episode 2. After all, a snap decision could easily land the Juraian people into conflict with any of the other political bodies in the universe. See A Song of Ice and Fire (i.e. Game of Thrones) or real world history for how bad this can become.

Why would Ryoko, or even Kagato, be intimated by Airi or Seto? Ryoko is notorious for sacking and crushing Jurai’s defenses, and Kagato is known as the “Ruins Buster” and is eternally wanted by the GP. I have a hard time seeing either cowering in fear of a single Juraian woman.

I think it’s more because of how crazy she is. I mean… Seto is pretty well a nutcase when it comes to either manipulating people or killing pirates. Ryoko was in a somewhat-stable house situation when she reacts to hearing Seto was coming, so that’s understandable, but Kagato… hm. I guess even insane, ruins-busting, people-killing, planet-busting organists don’t enjoy run-ins with people equally insane? That’s what I’d guess.

Insanity is less the point, but rather power. Where in the three OVA series has Seto shown herself to conquer, crush, and destroy entire cultures for her whims? Kagato is first shown plowing through a GP blockade effortlessly. Ryoko is first shown battling Yosho in flashbacks and destroying Tenchi’s high school. Seto has not been shown anywhere close to this, so why would either be worried about her?

Moreover, why does Noike have Kyoko, a top-secret upgraded third generation tree? Presumably, this would be because of Seto, which emphasizes the question of why Seto would be interested in a no-name GP officer.

Er… more perspective on how haphazard Seto is in her management of people and resources? I dunno.

Mismanagement would be more reason to question why and how Seto could be secretly running Jurai.

Why does Nobuyuki try to kiss passionately his own daughter? That seems very inappropriate, considering he is soon to marry Rea.

He’s a tease. He’s a perv. He’s a bit of a troll.

Moreover, why does Airi try to kiss passionately her grandson, with her husband standing just a few meters away?

‘Cause he’s Tenchi, of course!

Nobuyuki knows his first wife is dead and should know his daughter’s face well enough. Moreover, as someone who is agonizing over how to explain to his son about his pending marriage, it seems ridiculous for him to pervert himself over his daughter in front of his son.

As for your response for Airi trying to kiss Tenchi, how does him being “Tenchi” make it acceptable for her to act in that way? Again, her husband is standing right there. Even in a close family, that is not acceptable.

If so many children of Juraian lineage live on and leave Earth, why is Earth still regarded as “developing” or “protected”?

Two reasons: First to give the Juraians some privacy, and secondly because it hasn’t made (public) contact with other planets. Again, just my speculation.

I could accept that. Tenchismile

Noike states that the only first generation tree was Azusa’s Kirito, but wasn’t Funaho a first generation tree?

Haven’t seen that ep. in a while, but are you sure she’s not saying that Kirito is the only remaining active first-gen tree ship? (due to Funaho being stuck on Earth now, I mean.)

Actually, you are correct. She does say “ship”, not “tree”. blush1

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