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    VyseLegendaire wrote:

    So in a bunch of ways, the 1990s -the 2000s was an unrepeatable trend that was a one-off time for anime (not to mention manga, and video games just as much so) which can never be repeated, in which a great deal of creativity and ingenuity had to be poured into new properties to try and squeeze profits out of a crunching economy, and overseas licensing was a major part of this effort – which increases today even as anime industry is frankly not very lucrative at all compared to the old days of 1980s (just look at simulcasts, overseas releases of manga picking up steam and being closer to their original than ever before, and this trend is reflected in the gaming world as well with smaller US publishers releasing smaller budget games from Japan at a regular pace, something once deemed impossible).

    The way the industry is now is sort of like trying to squeeze blood from a stone, so to speak – desperation for profits at every turn, ingenuity falling by the wayside, and a move toward mobile devices, pay-to-play reading/watching subscriptions, f2p games with in-game purchases, etc. – all new business models to try and counter the loss of purchasing power on the part of consumers over time. And consider how pathetic BD/DVD sales generally are in Japan, and yet anime companies rely on these for profit. Videogames sell alot more #s wise but they also cost more to develop… and expectation levels for a *success* have fallen over the years.

    I don’t think so. When early licensors approached Japanese producers and distributors, they were constantly surprised about the overseas popularity and considerations for international releases of series both old (1970s and 1980s, except maybe Yamato and Macross) and new (1990s and early 2000s). Even people involved with the localization of anime were surprised about large fanbases. Of course, I’m referring to Petrea Burchard and all the fan mail she received from the very beginning.

    I suppose anime releases have become like video games with more consistent global release dates, but otherwise can’t be compared.

    Dagon123 wrote:

    So basically everything Ghibli has ever done, including Nausicaa? lol I don’t see how that makes Tenchi look better


    VyseLegendaire wrote:

    And for why does Miyazaki post-1970 make Tenchi better, maybe he is saying Miyazakis work became watered down? But a funny way to beat around the bush.

    Let’s say if Hamtaro was considered the number one best anime ever, with Cowboy Bebop coming in second. Would you consider Cowboy Bebop number one over a petty children’s show? I’m not saying Ghibli films are the latter, but they’re certainly different to conventional anime (shonen, seinen, and many shojo series). I don’t think you can place Tenchi in a standing with Porco Rosso, or Cowboy Bebop with Hamtaro. Each are in completely different leagues.

    As for Cowboy Bebop and Tenchi… well I like Tenchi better, so sue me.

    Dagon123 wrote:

    For shiggles, I decided to do the math and include ANN’s rating numbers, as well as Myanimelist’s, (also a point of note, for the Anime Planet ratings in my original post, I removed the ratings associated with the “Want to Watch” and the “Won’t Watch” category so that much like MAL and ANN, it was only based on user who had actually rated it and not just “seen”)


    VyseLegendaire wrote:

    It’s funny to note that the ratings and places associated with each anime almost doesn’t change, and in one case identical, so while you may use ANN, it is in no way better or more accurate overall than either of the other 2 sites, in fact really all it does is show that most people don’t use it.


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    I guess youre right about that, I always noticed that ANN had a low amount of scores for many series but an inordinately high amount for certain popular ones. But I do post my ratings on MyAnimeList for personal use. Its interesting to see pretty uniform ratings across the board.

    ANN is one of the earliest western anime sites, but the rating system in the encyclopedia came later. As I said, it’s more in depth unlike MAL and AP, where anyone can just sign up and downvote something and automatically count.

    wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:

    Really? News to me, and contradictory to everything I’ve ever read. If you could please give me a link for citation, or recommend some literature (or recount your time in Japan circa 1988), I would be grateful. I find it personally gratifying to periodically update my cinematic knowledge (here would be great, but if need be PM would work too since I am admittedly getting way off topic).

    From Kinema Junpo, a Japanese cinema magazine which also publishes movie industry data. It’s actually cited on Wikipedia.

    The budget was 1.1 billion JPY, but only amassed 750 million at the box office. While it’s a shitload of money and makes whatever Char’s Counterattack grossed look like chump change, it still failed to break even. Using the loss estimation formula, (TWG / 2) – PB, you get 725,000,000 JPY, almost as much as it originally grossed! We’re talking about 1988 levels, too.

    The 49 billion JPY number tossed around the internet is likely from post-theatrical earnings, and recently inflation-adjusted.

    Ukinojo92 wrote:

    The 90’s seemed to be the Age of Anime’s: Awesome era. Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, 3×3 eyes, Trigun, Fist of the North Star.

    Try and say it’s not.


    Umm… Fist of the North Star and the original manga of 3×3 Eyes started in the 80s.

    I find it illogical to associate a specific decade with the best of something, because if somebody argues, it’s bound to end in a flame war. Like all decades, the 90s had some really shitty anime. We tend (or attempt) to forget these titles, and instead focus on the excellent ones referenced ITT.

    LOL, maybe this thread should be moved to the “Other Anime” section.

    In other words, so many toilets to worship.

    Dagon123 wrote:

    Lets take a look at the extremely well received (According to Anime Planet’s aggregate rating out of 5 total stars) anime that came out in 1992.

    Sailor Moon (TV Series) 3.22 (from 32,468 user stats)

    Yu Yu Hakusho (TV Series) 4.23 (from 28,880 user stats)

    Tenchi Muyo: Ryo Ohki 1 (OVA) 4 (from 12,600 user stats)

    Porco Rosso (Movie) 4.13 (from 11,243 user stats)

    Tekkaman Blade (TV Series) 3.65 (from 1957 user stats)

    Giant Robo (OVA) 3.98 (from 1019 user stats)

    It’s extremely important to note, that Tenchi was not only not adapted from prior material (YuYu, SM, Robo, Blade), but also was not from an established company (Ghibli) AND was in the top 3 numbers wise, being an OVA also means it didn’t run on mainstream television.

    Comparing post-1970s Miyazaki material with conventional anime is like comparing water to Coke, which effectively puts Tenchi even higher.

    I usually trust Anime News Network the most for ratings, because they use multiple averages with algorithms to remove bias and the impact of up/downvoting. Regardless, it’s consistently rated on ANN, with OVA 2 and the specials also around the same. This means many people have rated each segment rather than only rating OVA 1 in regards to the entire series.

    wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:

    SilverWhisper wrote:

    Technically the golden age of anime ended in 1988, when Akira’s theatrical release bombed.

    “Bombed” as in didn’t do well financially? Do you mean in the U.S. or elsewhere, where it had a very limited release? Because I do believe, my good sir, Akira did extraordinarily well at the box office in its homeland: practically an overnight success (one of the few that wasn’t a casualty of the aforementioned economic slump). But at any rate, all spot-on, astute points.


    Akira was a box office bomb at its original 1988 Japanese premiere. It was successful after some time released on home video.

    Technically the golden age of anime ended in 1988, when Akira’s theatrical release bombed. Afterwards, the industry was pretty lackluster, and the collapse of the Japanese economy in 1991 didn’t help either. Considering when Tenchi came out, it was certainly ahead of its time and has aged quite well.

    Evangelion undeniably restored faith in the overall anime industry, but I suppose you could say Tenchi specifically restored faith in the OVA industry.

    I sort of wish Mikuru got a spin-off instead. I can’t stand Yuki.
    ^Nor do I see Nozomi acquiring or even being able to afford the rights to such high-profile series without a convincing commitment to sell many physical copies…

    If anything, revenue would be stream-based like Marimite.

    mitsuki lover wrote:

    Thought as much.

    Really when are they going to get on the ball and get Kimagure Orange Road ? Personally I would love to see them announce a 30th anniversary release for 2017.

    I’d like to see VIZ rescue KOR and Urusei Yatsura’s licenses, and renew Maison Ikkoku. Since their cash cow Naruto is coming to end, they should return to what they did best.

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