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  • Shounenbat
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    Working on 101 Secrets right now, but I will probably one day take a stab at the purely audio stuff.
    Shounenbat
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    Ukinojo92 wrote:

    Shounenbat wrote:

    I’m working on starting a new website geared towards teaching people (especially Tenchi Muyo fans) Japanese

    Although some people have trouble learning new language so it will take some time to soak in, especially kanji.

    But those that can learn are the new recruits for the translation crew.

    Bold by me.

    Yeah, but I have some great supplemental material that will make picking up the language a bit easier. Lang-8, for one, and also iTalki. For kanji, WaniKani is an amazing resource. On the spendy side, unfortunately, but very, very good from what I’ve seen of it so far.

    Anki is free, and I’m making a ton of flashcards for it using both audio and text from Tenchi material, as well as other anime, too.

    Shounenbat
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    Finally got the scans, so I’m working on a translation right now. I have no clue when I’ll be done, as I’m really busy right now. Work is keeping me on my toes, and I’m working on starting a new website geared towards teaching people (especially Tenchi Muyo fans) Japanese, and the planning for it is eating away at the clock.

    I’ll probably upload my translation chapter by chapter instead of waiting until the entire thing is complete and totally proofread for accuracy and, well, spelling and all that jazz.

    In the end, I think reading the thing instead of a summarizing it is a better option. Just glancing through it without taking the time to read much of it is interesting, especially the question regarding how the characters speak Japanese and if they have their own languages. The language nut in me went “Squee!”

    Shounenbat
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    Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-ohki OAV 1 & 2

    Pros

  • Excellent, strong characters! It honestly didn’t feel like a sexist, wish-fulfillment anime or an animation dating sim. The characters were strong, quite unlike the normal way females are according to the Japanese perspective.

    The lore is absolutely fascinating. There is so much more to this than we’ve seen, and I love to speculate on it.

    The blend between character development, slice of life, action, and general world-building is pretty well balanced. I love the pacing of the first two OAVs!


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    Cons

  • A few points left me feeling a bit confused, and I feel like Kajishima doesn’t care enough about the individual characters enough to elaborate on those bits, but that’s more of an OAV 3 gripe.

    Sometimes the girls can be a little
    too     focused on Tenchi. I’m pretty sure more than one episode fails the Bechdel test.

    The Aeka/Sasami relationship could’ve been written better. I remember having to explain, multiple times, to the friend I was trying to convert in to a Tenchi-holic that the two of them were sisters. After watching too much Adventure Time and Gravity Falls (heck, even My Little Pony (don’t judge me, bro)) and seeing very well-written sibling relationships, I think they could’ve been handled differently, even in spite of the age gap between them. Sasami, in particular, comes across feeling a lot like a lost puppy whom the household adopted.

    • Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-ohki OAV 3

    Pros

  • …???

    I thought of one! The exposition dump regarding the Chousen’s motive was nice. You didn’t need it if you’d read the novels, but it was still nice to see.

    Tsunami looked surprising good in the new art style.

    Speaking of Tsunami, it was interesting seeing that her relationship with Sasami isn’t totally one-sided. If her will is strong enough, Sasami can force Tsunami into action. Unfortunately, she seem to suffer from a sort of schizophrenic personality; which personality reacts strongest to the event at hand seems to become the dominate one.


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    Cons

  • With the exception of Tsunami, the characters all look like crap. Who thought this was a good idea?

    There were too many characters and too much story stuffed into too few episodes. This would have been better to pan out over two OAVs instead of one. The pacing in this was just terrible!

    On that note, I didn’t care for the story much anyway. I was left thinking, “So, Tenchi is the supreme being in the Universe and will one day bang everything from cute furry critters to space pirates to a pair of princesses and their mother (literally, from what I gathered regarding the solution to the Counter-Actor incident) to goddesses. Why would I watch that?” It makes Tenchi so strong he’s untouchable, and it turns every other female character in the show into a glorified blow-up doll. Terrible direction to take the story in, so I would appreciate someone else being brought on to revise/retcon/reign Kajishima in. At this rate, Tenchi will put Captain Kirk to shame and rise to become the Ultimate Womanizer. rageblow1 wth2 wtfisthis1

    I don’t often watch dubs, but Petrea Burchard really is the better Ryoko.

    I don’t care much for Noike. Perhaps it’s because we didn’t have time to grow to like her and get used to her, as everything was being thrown at us in quick succession, but it made the household look like it was in severe disarray before she showed up, which certainly wasn’t the case.

    Noboyuki’s remarriage. Just didn’t like it.

    I’d better stop now. This list could go on and on…


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    Tenchi Universe

    Pros

  • I loved how it felt so familiar yet different. It was like an alternate universe, and it was a nice ride.

    The characters that were added into this continuity were excellent. I love Kiyone, Achika, and all the rest. Perhaps this is why I was so disappointed in Noike; the Universe characters just fit better with the cast. Excellent villains, too.

    I thought that, like the first two OAVs, this was very well paced. It was slice-of-life and a quest-like story all rolled into one, and it never felt too forced.

    The characters are still just as great, and Kiyone really doesn’t feel new. It doesn’t take long before I felt like she’s always been there, and then I missed her a little when I re-watched the OAVs. The new plot just gave us a chance to see the characters in new situations.


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    Cons

  • Mihoshi sure got the short end of the stick when it comes to intelligence. This isn’t a burnt-out detective, it’s that annoying person who seems to breeze through life without problems while you, or in this case, Kiyone, have to work for every scrap of prosperity you can get! She was still great, though.

    I only cared about getting to Kagato because of Aeka and Sasami; it had nothing to do with an interest in Jurai, which is too bad. I really wanted some politics explored, but I never really got what I was looking for. Game of Thrones this was not.


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    Tenchi in Tokyo

    Pros

  • The characters’ personalities were tweaked to be made more extreme, but they still managed to be endearing. It wasn’t too annoying and could be downright funny.

    The idea of Tenchi being away from the group is a good idea. It opens up opportunities to give the girls something to do other than pine over him, even though they tend to do just that anyway, and gives Tenchi a chance at a more normal life.

    I thought the Aeka/Sasami sibling relationship was done a bit better in this continuity.

    Yugi was a great villain!


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    Cons

  • I didn’t care much for Sakuya. She should have won my heart over to her long before the reveal, but she just came across as awkward and forced. I get that that’s the point, ultimately, but… I don’t know. Sasami made me care more for Yugi than Tenchi made me care for Sakuya.

    I know there’s more, but I can’t really think of them.


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    Okuda Manga

    Pros

  • I don’t want to recap all the pros I laid out for the first two OAVs, but, like Universe, Okuda managed to give us new characters (villains and allies) without them feeling intrusive or out-of-place. It was handled very, very well! I love it so much!!!


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    Cons

  • It still hasn’t been animated yet! Why hasn’t it been animated yet?!?! sadface1 WANT1


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    Hasegawa Novels

    I’m not going to go into these, as I haven’t read them all yet. In fact, I’m skipping around pretty badly. I finished the first one and then went straight to Hawaii Vacation, and I know now that I really shouldn’t have done that. There’s a villain in it that makes me think, “I should probably read these in order. I might understand it better.”

    So far, however, it seems like a nice alternative to OAV 2.

Shounenbat
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wwwwhhhhoooo wrote:

WisperG wrote:

Back to the 700 years thing. If Ayeka hadn’t frozen herself she still would’ve only physically aged 2 or 3 years on her journey, right?

Yes, going off what Kajishima said. But would you want to be traveling in space twiddling your thumbs for 2 or 3 years if you had an option to go to sleep when you left and wake up when you arrived?

WisperG wrote:

So what STILL doesn’t make any sense to me is Sasami’s aging. How could she possibly age into a teenager after only a few years on Earth if it takes about 700 years for a Juraian to physically age 2 or 3 years? It should take her hundreds of Earth years before she looks like this.

The thought hadn’t occurred to me until pondering your question, Wisps, but now after talking it over with a few others here, I’m of the opinion that the implications are disturbing. You’re right Wisps, it’s reasonable to wonder not only “how” but more importantly “why?” (Possible) answer: she’s now “fair game” to be in the harem as soon as possible, adding to Kajishima’s grand design for every female character to be in someone’s harem.

wtfisthis1

Yes, OVA2 Yosho’s explanation regarding his tree and the gems can be used to explain the surface-level apparent aging discrepancies (could have also been thought up after OVA 1, but I won’t assert that, as it would only be pure speculation anyway) but again, that’s the “how” and now I can’t help but focus on the “why” concerning Sasami’s rushed and overly-emphasized maturation into womanhood. What other reason would there be for focusing on an otherwise unnecessary point of attention? You can try to point to the cultural significance of it in Japan, but not only does that seem irrelevant to the story (using that logic, I could ask “well, why doesn’t any Tenchi series ever mention seppuku? It’s Japanese.” Yes it is, but it has no relevancy to the story, now does it?) but okay, let’s keep going down that track: it was to emphasize this Japanese tradition, that of the marking point of a girl physically becoming a woman. Why would this need to be highlighted in Tenchi Muyo?

Spoiler alert: it doesn’t.

All I can say is, I hope this isn’t the case.

I always assumed that Juraians aged normally until reaching physical maturity, at which point it slows down considerably. As in, at that point 700 years looks more like 2 or 3 years of aging after that point.

But, yeah, some of it might also be because of Kajishima’s harem fantasies. It’s probably not just Kajishima, though. The dark side of Japan is that it can be an incredibly sexist place. You’ve gotta cringe at how this lawmaker apologized for his sexism, as his apology is dripping with it. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27971062” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27971062 Somehow it’s still considered to be an acceptable apology, too. There’s also Fumito Ueda’s stupid comments about a game that has plunged into development hell by now. http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/03/09/editorial-last-guardians-girl-trouble” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/03/09/editorial-last-guardians-girl-trouble

This is also probably why Aeka and Sasami/Tsunami are the favorite choices to wind up with Tenchi amongst the Japanese audience, and possibly why Kajishima really wants to age Sasami up. Ryoko doesn’t get the love that she does with us. Ryoko is independent and speaks her mind, Aeka and Sasami (especially Sasami) are domestic.

EDIT: I’m going with my first theory that Juraians age naturally (by our standards) until adulthood. Sasami is 708-years-old, so, having spent 700 of those years in suspended animation, she’s physically matured into an 8-year-old in 8 years time.

Shounenbat
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Favorite Character

Don’t know. I like all of them a lot!

Favorite Episodes of the OAV

The Kagato episodes, for sure. We get to see a number of things, such as the first hint that Mihoshi was a force to be reckoned with at some point. Aeka and Ryoko both react to Tenchi’s death in a way that I thought fitting for both of them, and suddenly Sasami becomes a huge enigma. Washu is introduced alongside Kagato, who is a pretty good villain and ties in nicely with introduction of Tsunami as well. All in all, it was a very good two-parter.

I also like The Night Before the Carnival. Slice of life with foreshadowing, so what’s not to love. The characters are all performing well and the whole thing makes me split my side. Even the nurse Washu scene with should, for all intents and purposes, have majorly turned me off.

Sasami and Tsunami goes up there as a favorite as well. I think it was supposed to settle the questions that the Kagato episodes brought up, but I was still pretty confused about the nature of their relationship. I think I’m just dumb, though, since other people don’t seem too concerned about it.

Anyway, it shows Aeka being very big-sisterly towards Sasami, which is something we don’t see all that often. I remember when a friend and I were trying to get another friend into the show, we had to explain that the two of them were related because, as my friend put it, “I just can’t see them as siblings. They don’t look or act anything alike, and they don’t even interact as siblings do!”

Finally, Here Comes Jurai. I love Lady Misaki and Funaho. I wish we’d see a whole lot more of them. I remember loving the Okuda manga with them in it.

Chapters/Scenes that Made Me Tear Up:

The obvious one being Ryoko’s “death” in TU, followed by the group breaking up. I was glad for the ultimately happy ending, though.

Achika’s death in TMiL was another tear jerker. It was like Tenchi’s mom was suddenly a real person, and Noboyuki was a much more relatable character instead of just “the father” in the show. I loved watching the pair of them, and Achika’s ultimate fate was pretty darn awful.

On that note, I was devastated in TMiL2’s manga, Eternal Memory, when

we find out that Sasami will ultimately share Achika’s fate for using her power to open the gateway to Haruna;s world. When Sasami’s hypothetical child explains that she has no memories of her mother, it’s pretty darn sad. Sasami explains that she may or may not decide to have children in the future, but that she realizes that she’s burnt herself out. The tears would literally not stop.

I suppose an honorary mention would be the Sasami “death” flashback in Sasami and Tsunami. It wouldn’t have affected me, I don’t think, except I saw the edited version of the episode first. Toonami cut out the massive amounts of blood, so when I saw it uncut I was pretty shocked. Somehow it seemed wrong to watch a badly hemorrhaging 3(?) year-old dying on a rock.

Shounenbat
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ChaudSept wrote:

Hello hello, instead of creating a new thread i’m just gonna put my stuff here.

Don’t know about you but I don’t like reading scans on the web, mostly because it’s on the web (you don’t say) and i can’t read it whenever i want.

For example i want to be able to read No Need for Tenchi! in a wifi-less plane on my tablet next saturday.

So i downloaded all the scans, and pack them into 12 pdf. One volume per pdf, two scans per page. I’m satisfied of the overall quality, the files aren’t that huge, and apparently it’s readable.

So here we go :
[hidden]https://mega.co.nz/#!xo0mEJ6Z!-u_bSLG-X16rl2JpvlIGah0HrrEqhrTVqXJIJGXKtHw” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!xo0mEJ6Z!-u_bSLG-X16rl2JpvlIGah0HrrEqhrTVqXJIJGXKtHw

https://mega.co.nz/#!o80ikbha!Kz_FKgxaEj-PkoLv2nLOE-iHlcDziCbWbP_ETdKpppg” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!o80ikbha!Kz_FKgxaEj-PkoLv2nLOE-iHlcDziCbWbP_ETdKpppg

https://mega.co.nz/#!0h8WVRzI!QD_SPF6d_-rEWtAlJ-8Aqfi02XRqVDxu5HvPPWOcQuw” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!0h8WVRzI!QD_SPF6d_-rEWtAlJ-8Aqfi02XRqVDxu5HvPPWOcQuw

https://mega.co.nz/#!15FDVKDS!DCHd8KEbpM0ctlx0WlSnG9snxxq_tCJIJLSB1AEUbiQ” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!15FDVKDS!DCHd8KEbpM0ctlx0WlSnG9snxxq_tCJIJLSB1AEUbiQ

https://mega.co.nz/#!951yDShR!BgHdNOcYxrrKDMaKm0Zz6sHKyUhEl-YSlFRehbV6Xfs” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!951yDShR!BgHdNOcYxrrKDMaKm0Zz6sHKyUhEl-YSlFRehbV6Xfs

https://mega.co.nz/#!AwcnwI7C!H-B5MUPaFio3WA5ZLyS97bKYca8-5wXLVCoPRk1JSCI” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!AwcnwI7C!H-B5MUPaFio3WA5ZLyS97bKYca8-5wXLVCoPRk1JSCI

https://mega.co.nz/#!M1kX2Kib!Cwtop1ZAj0Ob5fS2_12GGcetohFHGowzCoVODIstW1o” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!M1kX2Kib!Cwtop1ZAj0Ob5fS2_12GGcetohFHGowzCoVODIstW1o

https://mega.co.nz/#!Vp1HDASL!g_32v5lfBHifqfD_wDBzott36LXWUhvW_Wd0q_deQ1g” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!Vp1HDASL!g_32v5lfBHifqfD_wDBzott36LXWUhvW_Wd0q_deQ1g

https://mega.co.nz/#!B0F3WDaA!muQosJ76_kSTAKdphAW7_TP0A9mi-473BcPLcKSmpcU” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!B0F3WDaA!muQosJ76_kSTAKdphAW7_TP0A9mi-473BcPLcKSmpcU

https://mega.co.nz/#!VhEWGRDB!8R5x0i8YVgoWBRXIP5CrzhODGRo4BFVeZ1SzpRom0_0” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!VhEWGRDB!8R5x0i8YVgoWBRXIP5CrzhODGRo4BFVeZ1SzpRom0_0

https://mega.co.nz/#!ltMEWBxB!4o6aumQ22yRFH7nibFjiXbpYD2I-E8bCHJyifVB6dpc” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!ltMEWBxB!4o6aumQ22yRFH7nibFjiXbpYD2I-E8bCHJyifVB6dpc

https://mega.co.nz/#!Ut0QUDTY!7oEyzWvv9roRq6qVNCDSVmWwlDEAtRo1z6hbpkNV804” class=”bbcode_url”>https://mega.co.nz/#!Ut0QUDTY!7oEyzWvv9roRq6qVNCDSVmWwlDEAtRo1z6hbpkNV804[/hidden]

I took some liberty and added a tenchiforum mention on the files, let me know if it needs to be change.

Also i hide the files for now.. Take this as a preview for you guys, or if it needs to be improved. whatever.

Anyway i didn’t even finished it yet, so i’m outta here.

What’s the decryption key?

Shounenbat
Participant

WisperG wrote:

Marty Kirra wrote:

OKUDA COME FROM THE SHADOWS AND SAVE TENCHI.

An anime adaptation of Okuda’s manga would be amazing WANT1

I love Okuda’s manga. All of the characters feel right, it doesn’t contradict anything from the OAVs (at least not that I remember), and it’s just fun all the way around.

Shounenbat
Participant

ChaudSept wrote:

Shounenbat wrote:

Is there a raw file available? I can read the Japanese with a little help from a dictionary when I get hung up on a word. I’m about an upper intermediate level right now, so getting better is a whole easier than when I was just starting and felt like I couldn’t understand anything.

Dude are you serious you can read jap ? you only got vocabulary issue ? Thats intresting.

Listen im not from the translation team but i know one thing : they won’t say no to some help. Mostly if you do read japanese.

I have a lot of scans (actually it’s “they have” or “we have”…), and a lot of software, but i dont have the jap-knowledge.

Im pretty sure Nil or Crazed should talk to you :)

If they are busy, well we could team up, i’ll show you all the “translation aera” and project of the forum.

What do you say ?

Sounds good to me. I’d be happy to help if I can. Also, if I run into some phrases or idioms that I don’t understand, I bet I can ask some of my Japanese pen pals on Lang-8 to lend a hand.

Shounenbat
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Ukinojo92 wrote:

This link has the translated 101 tenchi secrets book and seems detailed and correct

https://archive.is/4iKRB” class=”bbcode_url”>https://archive.is/4iKRB

but I would wait for Chaud’s raw scans or the translation crew to give a full translated version

Is there a raw file available? I can read the Japanese with a little help from a dictionary when I get hung up on a word. I’m about an upper intermediate level right now, so getting better is a whole easier than when I was just starting and felt like I couldn’t understand anything.

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